'First Look' pics of the new ACW range!

Started by Leon, 15 September 2011, 03:27:16 AM

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maciek

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what !? I can't belive my eyes.

Why the standard bearer in greatcoat is standing, while all others figures are marching or even running !!!
How could I complete a properly looking stand ?

Sorry guys, once again you dissapointed me.
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Leon

Quote from: maciek on 12 February 2012, 09:09:09 PM
How could I complete a properly looking stand ?

Don't use the running guy?  The other three could easily pass as being stationary, as could the officer, leaving only the drummer as being in motion.

:-\

Quote from: maciek on 12 February 2012, 09:09:09 PM
Sorry guys, once again you dissapointed me.

I hadn't realised it was becoming a habit!   :o
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mart678

Looks to me as if the Standard bearer is taking smaller steps while checking the flag is flying

nikharwood

Quote from: mart678 on 12 February 2012, 10:04:13 PM
Looks to me as if the Standard bearer is taking smaller steps while checking the flag is flying

Good call  :)

maciek

I finally realized, why Pawel Chrzanowski totally gave up with Pendraken's ACW and uses only Minifigs ...
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Leon

Quote from: maciek on 13 February 2012, 08:21:41 AM
I finally realized, why Pawel Chrzanowski totally gave up with Pendraken's ACW and uses only Minifigs ...

Because of one standard bearer?  Seems a little harsh.
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13 February 2012, 10:44:20 AM #81 Last Edit: 13 February 2012, 11:12:19 AM by maciek
Quote from: Leon on 13 February 2012, 08:47:56 AM
Because of one standard bearer?  Seems a little harsh.
Because Minifigs are easy to assemble into naturally looking stands.

Quotehadn't realised it was becoming a habit!
1) There is no marching drummer in WSS foot line, while at least two poses of soldiers are dynamic
2) There are no dynamic officers in WSS (other poses of soldiers are static)
3) Ther is no standing drummers in SYW foot line, while 2 poses are static (shooting and presenting arms)
4) There is no dynamic foot officers in SYW (considering that drummer is marching it is ridiculous)
5) There is standing pack of WSS dragoons and dynamic pack of Horse, but pack of command (suitable for both) contains:
- static standard bearer
- static officer
- dynamic trumpeter
In the effect I had to use different SYW mounted staff figures
6) Swedish GNW infantry have privates in shooting pose and standard bearer and drummer are marching

Add some other forumers complains on prone figures along with running etc.

Note, that I didn't complained so far on ACW. It's because I really consider existing ACW command pack outstanding.
I also understand that in the past no proper was care taken about composition of packs, but I can't be more dissapointed when I see that these faults are repeated again and again.

Sorry to say, but it seems that the sculptor has nothing in common with wargaming.
He is unable to imagine his figures as a group on the stand.

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Jagger

My workaround when I have a conflict between moving and static command figures is to place either the moving figures in front of or behind the static figures.  The assumption is that some figures have either started moving or are catching up.  Of course, ideally, it would be nice to have all figures in a command stand either static or with movement.  And most of the existing command sets can be combined into either static or moving groups.

I have been wondering about the Iron Brigade troops with their hardee hats.  I noticed the figures don't have one side of the hat pinned up.  After researching some period photos, I decided to post a question on TMP about the hats and pinning.  The responses were not conclusive.  Here is the thread:

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=257768

Regardless of the answer, if there is one, I am wondering if it is best to have the hats pinned on the side.  The reason is that the new models are not tremendously different in hats  from existing lines with slouch hats.   Right now, my thoughts are some regiments definitely wore hardee hats with a pinned side whether the Iron Brigade did or did not.  So if the models have a pinned side, they will be a unique and useable model for any unit with pinned Hardee hats.  At the same time, the slouch hats are available for anyone that wants to create an unpinned hardee hat unit whether the Iron Brigade or any other regiment.

It isn't a big deal but wondering if others have any thoughts?


maciek

QuoteMy workaround when I have a conflict between moving and static command figures
But why to take pains to get good looking stand when we could have proper figures ?

Quoteit would be nice to have all figures in a command stand either static or with movement
It's new pack. What would be easier than to remodell standard bearer before copying him in hundreds ?
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Leon

Quote from: maciek on 13 February 2012, 10:44:20 AM
Note, that I didn't complained so far on ACW. It's because I really consider existing ACW command pack outstanding.
I also understand that in the past no proper was care taken about composition of packs, but I can't be more dissapointed when I see that these faults are repeated again and again.

Sorry to say, but it seems that the sculptor has nothing in common with wargaming.
He is unable to imagine his figures as a group on the stand.

We take all feedback on board, we changed the posing of the horses based on your comments previously and we'll have a look at this as well.  The WSS range was done a long time ago, so doesn't really compare to anything we're doing now.  If a lot of people requested different command figures for that range, then we'd do them, but it's not something which appears on the requests very often.  

The original ACW command pack will still be available, so people can mix those in if they like.

The sculptor isn't a wargamer as such, but he is a modeller.  I've had several chats with him about posing, and he himself makes sure to keep figures in similar styles of movement.  The standard bearer we're talking about is only one figure in a whole range.  If someone had just said, 'Can we have a walking standard bearer' then no problem.

Quote from: maciek on 14 February 2012, 07:45:01 AM
It's new pack. What would be easier than to remodell standard bearer before copying him in hundreds ?

Changing the figure is more difficult, it would be easier to add a greatcoat on to one of the other figures after they have been moulded.

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maciek

Leon,
I've wrote I complained only on new packs.
The problem with standard bearer in greatcoat is that he is unique and cant be replaced with any other figure in Pendraken's ACW.
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Leon

Once the range is more complete, we can take one of the other advancing standard bearers and pop a greatcoat on him.  That's probably the easiest solution.
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wonderer18

i have to admit that i look forward to all the new figures coming out . Above all lets realise that the overall standard of sculpting has improved measurably .

Stuart

maciek

Quote from: Leon on 14 February 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Once the range is more complete, we can take one of the other advancing standard bearers and pop a greatcoat on him.  That's probably the easiest solution.
Thanks for the effort, Leon.
BTW, below my humble suggestion how to remodell existing figure.

And please, add cords to the drum in Iron Brigade drummer figure.
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Leon

Quote from: maciek on 15 February 2012, 05:00:50 PM
Thanks for the effort, Leon.
BTW, below my humble suggestion how to remodell existing figure.

And please, add cords to the drum in Iron Brigade drummer figure.


Thanks for the pic with the modifications, but unfortunately it wouldn't be that easy.  Once the putty has hardened, it becomes brittle, so as soon as the arm and foot were clipped off, the putty would break apart as you tried to move them into their new positions, meaning more work rebuilding the full right side of the figure. 
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