CWC-2 Army Lists

[PrivatePikeDa]

We'll have a think, no worries.  I'll see if we can make the Builder downloads a bit easier to work with too.

Which ruleset is that?

Fist full of tow. First modern rules I tried when I came back to the hobby. Some good ideas but love the unpredictability of BKC/CWC coming from the command system. 

https://fft3.com/downloads/

[Leon]

Fist full of tow. First modern rules I tried when I came back to the hobby. Some good ideas but love the unpredictability of BKC/CWC coming from the command system. 

https://fft3.com/downloads/

I'll take a look at that.

Have you used this site to convert pdfs to xlsx? https://smallpdf.com/pdf-to-excel

Ooh, now that's handy!

[PrivatePikeDa]

So now happy. Have spreadsheet in the format I wanted. Able to copy and paste data on just the vehicles on the table in one sheet. not to much clutter when playing. Realising I'm basically recreating the QR sheet from Corp commander 40 years ago when my "cold war" historical figures were "Ultra modern". So what do other players have to hand playing this sort of game?

[Smee]

A couple of things missing, don't know if you're planning on adding or were deliberately left off.

British - engineer's no AVRE 105 with mine plow (guessing it would be an easy transfer over) or anything for giant viper
Jordan - they had saladins, saracens and M113's

[Smee]

What about lists for malaya and Aden ?

[Big Insect]

A couple of things missing, don't know if you're planning on adding or were deliberately left off.

British - engineer's no AVRE 105 with mine plow (guessing it would be an easy transfer over) or anything for giant viper
Jordan - they had saladins, saracens and M113's

Thanks for this - can check out the AVRE 105 with mine plow - not a big issue to recreate stats and costs. I will just need to research the dates.

With Jordon - a lot depends upon dates and numbers but again, that is probably easy enough to double check.
It also depends if the Saracens (in particular) were issued to the army or (as was often the case with a number of Arab countries) they were issued to police or internal security only - in which case I tend to leave them out of the main lists.
But again, it's easy enough to transfer the stats across from the UK (or US lists) as none of these would have restricted technology in the export models (well, nothing that would make any real difference in the game anyway).
Cheers
Mark

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Thanks for this - can check out the AVRE 105 with mine plow - not a big issue to recreate stats and costs. I will just need to research the dates.

With Jordon - a lot depends upon dates and numbers but again, that is probably easy enough to double check.
It also depends if the Saracens (in particular) were issued to the army or (as was often the case with a number of Arab countries) they were issued to police or internal security only - in which case I tend to leave them out of the main lists.
But again, it's easy enough to transfer the stats across from the UK (or US lists) as none of these would have restricted technology in the export models (well, nothing that would make any real difference in the game anyway).
Cheers
Mark

The CEnts were all removed in 92 after a 165mm one blew up during Desert Storm.

Jordanian Saladins - certainly in use in 73/4 when one stopped a Syrian attack by killing 3-5 Syrian T54/5 - which is not actually posible ? (Quite well documented though).

[Big Insect]

Jordanian Saladins - certainly in use in 73/4 when one stopped a Syrian attack by killing 3-5 Syrian T54/5 - which is not actually posible ? (Quite well documented though).

Jordanians fighting the Syrians in 73/4 ...

In September 1970, during the full-blown military hostilities between Jordan and the PLO known as Black September, Syria sent an armored division into Jordan to reinforce the Palestinian forces under attack by Hussein's army. By July 1971, Syria had broken off diplomatic relations with Jordan over the issue. {from Wiki} But I can find no reference to the Jordanians actually fighting Syrian armour?

[flamingpig0]

Jordanians fighting the Syrians in 73/4 ...

In September 1970, during the full-blown military hostilities between Jordan and the PLO known as Black September, Syria sent an armored division into Jordan to reinforce the Palestinian forces under attack by Hussein's army. By July 1971, Syria had broken off diplomatic relations with Jordan over the issue. {from Wiki} But I can find no reference to the Jordanians actually fighting Syrian armour?

In the Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991 (Studies in War, Society, and the Militar) (Studies in War, Society, and the Military)by Kenneth M. Pollack

There is a  whole section on the armour clash- IIRC

[Smee]

The CEnts were all removed in 92 after a 165mm one blew up during Desert Storm.

Jordanian Saladins - certainly in use in 73/4 when one stopped a Syrian attack by killing 3-5 Syrian T54/5 - which is not actually posible ? (Quite well documented though).

The AVREs were removed because of doctrinal changes it was decided that a gun wasn't needed and the role was more route denial and access with the Willch AVREs leading the way - time of great changes. The one that blew up was due to refueling and someone cooking on the rear deck.

[sultanbev]

Some (probably) Jordanian Centurion AVRE 105 turned up in Libya in 2011:

http://esotericarmour.blogspot.com/2011/09/centurion-105-avre-in-libya.html

I was only reading about the Syrian invasion of Jordan in 1970 a few days ago, with quite detailed battle reports, damned if I can remember where it was now! It is far more well known than the Saudi and Kuwaiti interventions in the 1973 war.

Contemporary article on relative strengths in 1970:
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/21/archives/syrias-military-forces-match-those-of-jordan.html

A bit more detail here:
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,904341-3,00.html

and details of US & IDF planned intevention in a pdf here:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA515566

It's a bit of wargamers wet dream with 3 battalions of US 82nd Airborne, 2 Carrier Battlegroups, 1 USMC Battalion Landing force (does that mean M103 heavy tank platoon could be fielded???) , 1 Israeli Armoured Division, Jordanian armoured brigades and Hunters all fighting massed Syrians, with a whole Iraqi division (then stationed in Jordan to aid Jordan against Israeli attacks) looking on at the sidelines.

[flamingpig0]

Some (probably)
I was only reading about the Syrian invasion of Jordan in 1970 a few days ago, with quite detailed battle reports, damned if I can remember where it was now! It is far more well known than the Saudi and Kuwaiti interventions in the 1973 war.

Sadly no one makes a Vickers MBT Mk 1 in 10mm so modelling the Kuwaiti Al-Jahra Brigade is difficult.

Just saying!

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Jordanians fighting the Syrians in 73/4 ...

In September 1970, during the full-blown military hostilities between Jordan and the PLO known as Black September, Syria sent an armored division into Jordan to reinforce the Palestinian forces under attack by Hussein's army. By July 1971, Syria had broken off diplomatic relations with Jordan over the issue. {from Wiki} But I can find no reference to the Jordanians actually fighting Syrian armour?

Couldn't remember the year but the combat came from a senior British officer. The single Saladin seems to have stopped the invasion.

[Big Insect]

Some (probably) Jordanian Centurion AVRE 105 turned up in Libya in 2011:

http://esotericarmour.blogspot.com/2011/09/centurion-105-avre-in-libya.html

I was only reading about the Syrian invasion of Jordan in 1970 a few days ago, with quite detailed battle reports, damned if I can remember where it was now! It is far more well known than the Saudi and Kuwaiti interventions in the 1973 war.

Contemporary article on relative strengths in 1970:
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/21/archives/syrias-military-forces-match-those-of-jordan.html

A bit more detail here:
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,904341-3,00.html

and details of US & IDF planned intevention in a pdf here:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA515566

It's a bit of wargamers wet dream with 3 battalions of US 82nd Airborne, 2 Carrier Battlegroups, 1 USMC Battalion Landing force (does that mean M103 heavy tank platoon could be fielded???) , 1 Israeli Armoured Division, Jordanian armoured brigades and Hunters all fighting massed Syrians, with a whole Iraqi division (then stationed in Jordan to aid Jordan against Israeli attacks) looking on at the sidelines.

Many thanks Mark
I'll check it all out
Cheers
Mark