New WWII and Modern vehicles released!

[Leon]

Why are you still at work ? 

Long shifts at the moment getting all these releases sorted out before we hit the shows again.

Will you have them on the stand at Colours? Just wondering how they might scale to the Fantasy Desert Rats?!  

We should have, yes.  Let me know if you want anything putting on one side.

[O Dinas Powys]

We should have, yes.  Let me know if you want anything putting on one side.

Cool 

I'll drop you an email with my wish list

[Leon]

I'll drop you an email with my wish list

[Leon]

And here's one Dave quickly painted up:

[Techno]

Looks dead zippy, to me ! 
Cheers - Phil

[fsn]

However speedily painted, that Conqueror looks braw.

[Techno]

You are dogmeat, Pal !   
Cheers - Phil

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

dogmeat Pal !   

Prolongs active life - you should be ashamed Mr Lewis...

ianS

[Sunray]

I don't get it. I am sorry but I really don't get it.  Where is the market demand for the ill fated FV200 Conqueror that never saw action ?

I remember the last surviving Conquerors fitted with dummy guns and parked on ranges as hard targets.  The tank was unpopular in the British Army and frankly was outperformed by Centurion Mk13. It is a footnote in the historiography of British tank development - on how not to design a heavy MTB, that the FVR&D took on board - when they produced the FV 4201.

Who will game with this model ?  Is there a cabal of 1950s Cold War war gamers in the thousands of illegal immigrants making their way along the Channel Tunnel?

I am old enough to remember the Lynx.  The track design was poor and it did not have great traction. Our Canadian friends lamented losing the nippy wee Ferret.

Now there is a model that would have wide appeal and lots of post war applications. The Ferret - say a 2/2 model  Exported to 38 countries ...and still in use. 

[fsn]

I know what you're saying.

I will buy a troop of Conquerors for my ImagiNation game.

I'd like to see the Ferret and the Fox.

Is this the effect the release of the Lynx was expecting?

[Sunray]

I know what you're saying.

I will buy a troop of Conquerors for my ImagiNation game.

I'd like to see the Ferret and the Fox.

Is this the effect the release of the Lynx was expecting?

Now video that takes me back...doesn't do my legs any good.

We need Pendraken to stay premier in 10mm. That means realistic requests that will sell.   The Post War/Modern  market is a minefield.

I have to say that the best indicator of demand is what Peter Pig achieved in 15mm.  In general if the kit has been used in a real shooting war, then there is a demand for it.

I am just surprised that the Conqueror appeared when items like the M551 and M41 which have a Vietnam pedigree and in the case of the  Walker Bulldog, loads of Third World applications still are on the waiting list.   

I know a group keen to wargame Panama 1989  in 10mm.  They will be purchasing Sheridans from somewhere.

Even a humble Toyota pick up with a .50 (a technical) will find more sales than a Conqueror.

[toxicpixie]

If models only sold on actual use, numbers or even real world effectiveness there wouldn't be such a market for Tiger II's & similar Let alone the legions of "what if" E- series German tanks that never made it off the drawing boards...

[Sunray]

If models only sold on actual use, numbers or even real world effectiveness there wouldn't be such a market for Tiger II's & similar Let alone the legions of "what if" E- series German tanks that never made it off the drawing boards...

To a point. But you are not comparing like with like  Three points I would quickly make. First, the Tiger II has a certain X factor.  Secondly. it  was a major player in key battles such as the Ardennes (the Bulge) . If you wargame the Eastern Front from late 1944 to Berlin,   either the Konigstiger or the more common Henschel turreted version is a legitimate weapon system to field in small numbers.

Thirdly, the production figures say it all. 180 Conquerors Mk1 and 2, against 1,149 Tiger II, of which 492 survived production - an estimated 657 were lost to Allied bombing of the Henschel and Porsche plants.   (Source, Jentz, 1996, pp.287-288)

So, against the Conqueror the Tiger II wins hands down in terms of ...."actual use...numbers and even real world effectiveness" .Ask any Allied tanker who encountered one.


The 'what if '  MAUS however is another story.- It has as just as much X factor as a Conqueror...

[toxicpixie]

All the above suggests that the Conquerer will sell - it has the same cachet as the King Tiger (which did see action but didn't prove useful, the relative few of which even made it out the assembly line ). Both are big, hefty terrifying beasts whose looks and mystique far outweigh their battlefield utility.

Should have got more useful working tanks in Greater numbers. More Centurions please!

I suspect Conquerer will sell. Like the KT it's "cool factor" is much higher than its number or effectiveness suggest

If I hadn't gone for Pentomic era-ish in 6mm I'd be tempted myself with Cents & Conqs... Assuming there's a good Saracen model about

[Ithoriel]

My Maus model has taken part in several plays of my various Kummersdorf 1945 scenarios. My gaming experience suggests it would have been every bit as much a white elephant as is often suggested serving primarily as a munitions magnet. It tends to get pasted "just in case" even when the scenario specifically says the Maus model represents two inactive vehicles and is basically scenery!

I imagine the Conqueror will sell tolerably well to modellers, Weird War II aficionados and those like me who dabble in "what if" scenarios.