Landsknechts

Started by Steeleye, 18 September 2014, 07:03:31 AM

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Hertsblue

We knew nothing better in those days, and, ironically, the wheel seems to have come full circle and multi-pose stands are the preferred option - for anything after 1900, at any rate.
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I actually sort of agree with FSN. I don't mind limited poses on WSS, SYW and Naps. However ancients, dark ages, medieval I want as many poses as possible and to be honest the pendraken ranges are pretty good in that sense. The Normans I've just painted had 8 different poses to 13 models on a base (10 if its a command base). I've just started putting ancient Spanish forces and Republican Romans together (my compliments Phil). The Spanish will again have 8 to 10 different poses the Romans 4 or 5 but I like animated bases and mixing troop types. At the end of the day an ancient Spanish army wouldn't have all the chainmail armoured guys in one group all the ones with just a shield in another they'd all be mixed up.

Could do with more cavalry poses though maybe 2 to a pack rather than 1- can can horses aren't a great look.
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I think most of the Landsknecht are two pose packs aren't they? For "real" regulars I think that's about enough, same pose in slight variation, for stuff like horse & musket I'm actually happy with them split out as packs eg one port arms, one march attack etc like the WSS range. I'd still *prefer* multi pose packs (e.g. three different march attack guys as unless on parade ground and recently equipped I like a bit more "humanness" in my units :D

For something like Landsknechts I'd much, much prefer at least three poses! The other similar era pike are excellent for that - I've used about three-four different pack codes to get as much variation as possible so it looks like the typical pictures from the period - lots of exciting hats, poses, jerkins, hose/boots/bare legs/pantaloons etc, all in slightly different poses. Really looks animated and dashing :)

As an example, I'm very impressed with the recent Warmonger great swords (and pike) - thirty figures in a pack, all effectively individual, all with the same look and feel, looks like a spot ona ctual body of men all individuals united in one unit.

On the Airfix - they're hard work. It seems someone at Airfix decided "bloke with rifle who isn't tap dancing or singing" was too much to ask for. They have to be "stabbing with bayonet whilst demonstrating the rumba" or "one of thirteen identical NCO's with SMG and itching powder down underpants" :D
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Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 17 October 2014, 11:00:08 AM
I actually sort of agree with FSN.


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Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 17 October 2014, 04:04:06 PM
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Anyway back to the point. If troops are irregulars then I do like a bit of variety in the poses. The sudan figures I have been doing of late have enough poses to make a rabble. Camels have fewer poses cavalry 2 poses if you ignore the armoured type. The British have 2 poses which work for me the way I base them. I would have liked to see more combat style poses for the camel corps but that is personal preference.
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My preference is for multi pose packs. They have the advantage that you can do more animated bases, which I like. AND you can do single pose bases, because you can always ask that nice mister Leon for 'Just the Grenadier in greatcoat twirling his moustache lefthanded, please', because he's loopy enough to do it, too. But with a single pose in a pack, how are you going to get a bit of variation? Only by mixing packs, and that can be tricky.
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fsn

Horses are a problem for me. They don't walk in step, and I don't like all horses in the same pose ... but I do want them all standing, walking or trotting. I think pre-1900 it's a discipline thing. Were I to field a 1793 French army, I'd probably mix 1/3 nice, uniform poses to 2/3 scraggy herberts. Imperial Rome I'd like uniformity, Gauls - as many poses as you like.

Airfix US Marines: something - like flamethrower, bazooka, standing firing, kneeling  >:( firing, pistol, dingy and 30 chaps running around without any weapons at all.   Oh and the bloke with his rifle above his head either because
            a) he'd finished wading ashore, but forgot to lower his rifle
            b) he was surrendering
            c) he'd fallen foul of Sarge and was on punishment detail.

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As several have said it is very much a question of the type of unit you are trying to represent.

I've just sorted 6 stands of AWI Militia, 16 figures per stand, by mixing three different packs I can get almost all the figures different (only 2 pairs of duplicates per stand) which works for Militia  8-} ;)

I'm equally happy with 2-3 poses for the Continentals  :)

Horses really benefit from more than 2 poses as they don't march in step.

But as FSN suggests it is about the poses working together, which is the major problem with the good old Airfix packs
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MattW

To be fair, with things like the landsknechts, all you need to really change the heads for pikemen, and maybe heads and halberd tips for the halberdiers. Crossbows and handguns could do with a couple of different poses firing/loading though.

fsn

Ah! There we may disagree. I dislike any firing pose pre 1939 - especially kneeling  >:( firing.

If you take the Napoleonic Wars, musketry fire was opened at say 100 yards. The amount of time spent firing was very small - spent more time reloading! I hate the sight of a column of infantry, each one carefully aiming it the neck (or buttocks    >:() of the man in front.  

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Maybe that's why everyone was so small in the past FSN, that way they could miss each other...
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18 October 2014, 07:43:42 AM #27 Last Edit: 18 October 2014, 07:53:40 AM by fsn
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Quote from: mad lemmey on 18 October 2014, 07:35:52 AM
Maybe that's why everyone was so small in the past FSN, that way they could miss each other...

When I read this I was like :-\, and then I was like  ;D, but then youknow I was  >:( but then I said to myself "don't be so uptight" so I was like  ??? but now I've had a fink about it and I'm like  :-/  but then mysong came on and I'm like  :D. Coooool.   

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