How many times Can a Unit response fire before a close combat? Can you Continue firing even after you have been contacted be the enemy? In the example in the rulebook the mujahideen Unit fires at both assaulting Sovjet Unit. But could it have fires twice if it had beenassaulted first?

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You can only fire if you are not in combat.
But you can fire as many times as is required up to that point.
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Mark

So if we continue with the excample from the rulebook it would make bette sence to charge the unsuppressed Unit first?

Quote from: Christopher on 16 October 2024, 04:56:32 PMSo if we continue with the example from the rulebook it would make better sense to charge the unsuppressed Unit first?

Absolutely - yes - but in an assault the carful selection of which unit charges which is critical, as a unit with hits on it already (but with no suppression) might (if shot at) be knocked-out providing space or LoS for other units to provide more support. The 'bloody' nature of the Commander assault mechanisms, where the melee continues pretty much until units are destroyed means that setting up your assaults is critical.

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Quote from: Big Insect on 16 October 2024, 10:37:45 AMYou can only fire if you are not in combat.
But you can fire as many times as is required up to that point.
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Mark

I fear I may have been playing it wrong!

Just to be clear - each defending unit within ten cm of the target of an assault, as well as the target unit, may fire ONCE at each enemy unit coming into the assault, and ONCE at each supporting unit the attacker has declared? (assuming clear LOS)
Does this even apply to defender units within 10cm that are declared as supporting the target unit under assault? They can also shoot as many times as are available and then subsequently add their support as well?

QuoteI fear I may have been playing it wrong!

Just to be clear - each defending unit within ten cm of the target of an assault, as well as the target unit, may fire ONCE at each enemy unit coming into the assault, and ONCE at each supporting unit the attacker has declared? (assuming clear LOS)
Yes - in a Commanded Assault -see below
Does this even apply to defender units within 10cm that are declared as supporting the target unit under assault? They can also shoot as many times as are available and then subsequently add their support as well?
> I am not sure I understand the question - but see below.

There is a difference between an assault in the Initiative Phase and one in the Command Phase.

Initiative Phase
Page 21 CWCII*- Response Fire:
The unit being assaulted and any unsuppressed supporting units within LoS and 10cm may fire once at the assaulting unit (e.g. supporting units cannot shoot at each other - as it is all deemed to be happening at very close range and quickly, and the assaulting unit is their target priority).

Close Assault
Page 43 CWCII*- Shooting During an Assault:
"Units under assault, and any unsuppressed units within 10cm of a unit under assault, may open fire at assaulting and supporting units".
As this is an assault in the Command phase, it can occur over a number of turns (see example on Pages 47-48).

However, the supporting unit may fire at more than one assaulting unit in a turn (unlike in an assault in the Initiative Phase).

For example: the defending Soviet player has 2 INF:LI conscript units and an INF:SI HMG in support, back between the 2 conscript units. The Soviet HMG is unsuppressed and within LoS and within 10cm of both the Conscript units.
The attacking West German Bundeswehr player is assaulting with 2 regular infantry (INF:LI) and has an HMG is support, the HMG is unsuppressed and just within 10cm of the Soviet conscripts.
The German player orders both of the INF:LI units to assault the Soviet conscripts.
The German HMG can support both assaults, but does so as a single Commanded action.
The Soviet conscripts will each open fire on their respective German INF:LI assaulting them, but each will be supported by the Soviet HMG (so that in effect fires twice). Neither HMG can fire at each other as both are outside 10cm of each other. Had they been within LoS & 10cm of each other they could also fire at each other (in effect firing 3 times), as long as they were within LoS of each other and within 10cm of each other. 

*I make a point that this is CWCII as the example that Christopher quotes at the start of this thread is from CWCI (e.g. a Soviet v Mujahedeen example). He is also asking about 'Response Fire' which only occurs in the Initiative Phase.
NB: we are aware of the errata on Page 47 (CWCII) that mentions 'response fire' in the example - as this is a Commanded assault, it should read 'support fire'.

And to be clear - no unit continues to fire - under any circumstances - once it is actually in close assault/combat. However, firing in an assault can occur at the point that two units engage in assault, ahead of the actual combat (e.g. at point blank range - but remember any supporting units must still have LoS at that point to be able to fire).
Cheers
Mark
NB: as all firing in an assault, in effect, takes place simultaneously it is not possible for 1 Support unit to fire at another enemy Support unit and suppress it ahead of it being able to fire back in support. All units that are declared as Support units - even if they cannot fire - can be targeted by enemy Support units if they are within LoS and 10cm of the firing unit.

Quote from: dylan on 18 October 2024, 12:31:40 AMDoes this even apply to defender units within 10cm that are declared as supporting the target unit under assault? They can also shoot as many times as are available and then subsequently add their support as well?

I've reread your question and the answer is NO.
A Support unit that is targeted for assault by an enemy unit is no longer a Support unit - it automatically becomes the primary target unit in the assault - so cannot now support others, as it is focused on its own survival.
I hope that answers you OK?
Cheers
Mark

Quote from: Big Insect on 18 October 2024, 11:17:28 AMI've reread your question and the answer is NO.
A Support unit that is targeted for assault by an enemy unit is no longer a Support unit - it automatically becomes the primary target unit in the assault - so cannot now support others, as it is focused on its own survival.
I hope that answers you OK?
Cheers
Mark

That's helpful clarification but actually wasn't what I was checking - I just wanted to be sure that if I declare I'm supporting a defending unit I can still also engage in fire prior to the assault, and vice versa.  I think the answer is yes during a commanded assault, but wanted to be sure.