A "new" approach to depicting built up areas on the table

Started by pierre the shy, 10 May 2024, 11:48:43 PM

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pierre the shy

I came across this video recently made by Baccus about depicting buildings etc on a much smaller scale...Thier TTT stuff looks very nice and I get the idea.


Like other here we already use 6mm buildings with 10mm figures, and Paul has some very nice BUA with removable sections the size of a unit base to depict if a BUA is occupied if using his 10mm AWI or Indian Mutiny armies. Personally I think that that approach works really well, but the TTT stuff would be very useful for 2,3 or 6mm figures  :D  :-\

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mollinary

Nineteen hours and three posts have passed, and still no mention of Wendy houses. What is the world coming to?!
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Ithoriel

I'm already effectively doing this with my 3mm WW2 stuff using 40mm square unit bases and 60mm square BUA bases with a 40mm square centre that lifts out.

I'm using Brigade Models' Small Scale Scenery range for the BUA buildings.

I use their Roman range with my 2mm Strength and Honour scenery but don't currently have a way of fitting troops inside neatly.

As for the Baccus stuff I'd dearly love to know what scale they are. In hopes they might fit with my 1/2400 scale Rennaissance or 1/4800 Napoleonic or my 1/1200 scale Punic War ships.

If people insist on deliberately using smaller scale buildings because using 24 figures to represent a 600 man battalion is fine but using two houses as a hamlet is not then they are free to do so. But it will still look absurd to me.
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Quote from: mollinary on 11 May 2024, 06:02:16 PMNineteen hours and three posts have passed, and still no mention of Wendy houses. What is the world coming to?!
Indeed! I thought we had achieved peace in our time. :D

These, of course, would be wee, whittle, Wendies.

Mike, I like your thinking about using them with naval.
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Last Hussar

Ithoriel, part of the problem is that you don't realise how big things are, until you see them scale.

I remember someone putting a tree next to a 25mm figure,  and everyone saying the tree was too big. Then he said measure it, and it turned out it was perfectly in scale. Even a normal 2 story house with pitched roof is 4x normal human height.
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steve_holmes_11

Fantastic.

There's a lot of creativity in the hobby.
A full spectrum from the DIY grognard to the box set customer of Warlord or Games Workshop.

But it's still unusual to see a manufacturer produce something totally new.


Hats off to the creativity of our makers.

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Combining Wendy Housing and "one model equals a much larger number" techniques, here is our terrain for a recent refight of Stalingrad. Note Vasilka Zaitsev following her 67th kill.
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Ithoriel

Quote from: Last Hussar on 12 May 2024, 08:44:48 AMIthoriel, part of the problem is that you don't realise how big things are, until you see them scale.

... and that is going to be improved by downscaling how, exactly?

Surely that's an argument for using terrain one scale up.
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FierceKitty

I've just watched the video, and the models look good, but what's so revolutionary? Hasn't everyone been using boundary bases for BUA with removeable models in the middle for the last few decades or more?
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John Cook

Quote from: Last Hussar on 12 May 2024, 08:44:48 AMIthoriel, part of the problem is that you don't realise how big things are, until you see them scale.

I remember someone putting a tree next to a 25mm figure,  and everyone saying the tree was too big. Then he said measure it, and it turned out it was perfectly in scale. Even a normal 2 story house with pitched roof is 4x normal human height.

As far as ground scale is concerned, most rules that I know only concern themselves with frontages and ranges.  It is bad enough trying to make this work when it comes to depth and quite impossible when it comes vertical scale.  With, say a 1mm = 1 m ground scale, a 25 mm figure is a veritable giant.  Wargaming is a compromise in this context and not about making dioramas.  The best you can do is go for 'relativity', make it look as convincing as possible, in which context a couple of 6mm houses for a village in a 10mm set-up just don't cut-it - absurd as Ithoriel put it.

paulr

QuoteI've just watched the video, and the models look good, but what's so revolutionary? Hasn't everyone been using boundary bases for BUA with removeable models in the middle for the last few decades or more?
I've photos of the ones we used for our 200th anniversary refight of Austerlitz, so nearly 2 decades ;)
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Eat your heart out - I was at Austerlitz for the anniversary reenactment.
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John Cook

Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 May 2024, 02:09:45 PMHasn't everyone been using boundary bases for BUA with removeable models in the middle for the last few decades or more?

I think so, and for woods too.  These are so underscale for 6mm that they just look daft, in my view.  Wargames are fully of compromises and this is one too far for me.