So.. another query.   

Recce giving a +1 CV bonus... the wording for this seems to be in the paragraph above the main table on p30, but it sort of runs into the wording for spotting an enemy unit with Recce, which is a different type of Recce action

I think it says;
- To give out a +1 CV bonus, you measure range from Recce to the nearest enemy unit, then do the spotting calculation as if you were spotting that enemy, and then dice roll as per the tables on p30.   

- With fixed command, this +1 CV can only be given out to any command in the formation,
- Without fixed command, the +1 CV can only be handed to the closest command unit to the Recce unit

So, in essence giving a +1 CV is the same mechanic, and uses same modifiers as spotting an enemy on behalf of a commander, the only difference is you work out the modifiers and dice roll required based on the nearest enemy unit?

Am I reading this correctly ?

Spot on - I try to keep mechanism as consistent as possible (believe it or not  )

In a funny way I prefer Fixed Formations as you can give the +1 CV to any Command unit in the formation - so can pick & choose.
With non-fixed it must be the nearest friendly commander and if that command unit has already been 'enhanced' by another Recce unit or is suppressed etc. you are in effect wasting that +1 CV.

Hope that helps

Sorry. You have to "spot" the command unit to give the +1CV?
With all that modificators in the table?
Example. I have a recce units and I'm trying to give +1 CV to a command units in the open 22cm far from the recce. So the recce unit have to score a 5+ in a D6. The command is in the open 4+, the command is a low profile unit in the open +1 and the distance between the two units is 21-30 cm +0.
Is this correct?

Quote from: Jordi on 26 June 2023, 06:19:00 AMSorry. You have to "spot" the command unit to give the +1CV?
With all that modificators in the table?
Example. I have a recce units and I'm trying to give +1 CV to a command units in the open 22cm far from the recce. So the recce unit have to score a 5+ in a D6. The command is in the open 4+, the command is a low profile unit in the open +1 and the distance between the two units is 21-30 cm +0.
Is this correct?

No - the modifiers only apply for allowing the selected Commander to 'spot' a target that cannot otherwise be seen by that Command unit.
In that instance the Commander is 'nominated' as being connected to (in contact with) the Recce unit and then all the modifiers apply.
This might be for a CO or HQ wanting to bring down on-table mortars on a target out of LoS (for example) or an FAC wanting to bring in an airstrike (likewise out of sight of the FAC). So in effect the Recce unit is acting as the 'eyes' of the Command unit (hence why modifiers apply as this is more complex).
If the roll is successful, the Command unit can then attempt to make orders as if it can see (has LoS to) that nominated target. This 'spotting effect' applies through-out the Commanders turn - so they might choose to order on-table mortar with one or more command rolls, and then (if successful) order a different set of mortars or some on-table artillery (in a new command group) to hit the same target.
NB: spotting is different from the +1 CV provided by a Recce unit. So you can (if you have 2 Recce units) have one make the spotting roll and the other add a +1 to the CV of the same Command unit. But if you have 3 Recce units you cannot add 2 x +1 to the Commanders CV. But if the army has Rigid Tactical Doctrine it is also possible to get a +1 added to the Commanders CV if all units under command are making the same order (if that all makes sense?)
 
If the Commander can see the target (has LoS) and is either part of the same Fixed Formation (optional rules) as the Recce unit, or is the nearest Command unit (by measurement - terrain or intervening enemy units etc. does not effect this) to the Recce unit, then a straight Recce roll is applied, based on the distance between the Recce and the enemy target unit (no modifiers applying). If successful this boost the Command units CV by +1. As the Command unit already has LoS to the enemy target, spotting is pointless.

Hopefully that helps clear things up?
Cheers

Mark

So how can I give the +1CV to a command? We have to do any roll or is authomatic? For example I have a recce unit 15cm from the command and we have  no enemys in LOS. The command wants to issue an order of move the their assigned units. How can the recce unit give the +1 CV? It's possible? Or the +1 CV is only for orders of fire?

Quote from: Jordi on 26 June 2023, 11:19:15 AMSo how can I give the +1CV to a command? We have to do any roll or is authomatic? For example I have a recce unit 15cm from the command and we have  no enemys in LOS. The command wants to issue an order of move the their assigned units. How can the recce unit give the +1 CV? It's possible? Or the +1 CV is only for orders of fire?

As outlined in the Reconnaissance section, your Recce unit has a number of options at the start of your turn.

If it chooses the option to try and add +1 to the CV of the nearest friendly Command unit (that has not already had a +1 added to its CV) it measures the distance to the nearest enemy unit. This enemy unit does not need to be within LoS for the Recce unit. The Recce unit can 'detect' the enemy unit even if it is hidden in or behind terrain.

Once the distance between the Recce unit & the nearest enemy has been calculated, you roll a single D:6 and if you make the score, you will automatically pass a +1 CV to the nearest friendly Command unit. The only modifiers that apply are those that are specific to Aerial Recce.
The Recce unit doesn't need to have the nearest enemy unit in-sight. It just needs to be within range.

Hope that helps - there is an example laid out in BKCIV to help you.
Thanks
Mark

Ok understand. To give the +1 CV to the nearest command unit (if not useing the rules for fixed formation) I have to take the distance to the nearest enemy unit and make a dice roll with the distance modifications. If I succeed (4+ in the open, 5+ soft cover, 6+ hard cover plus distance modification) I give the +1 CV for the command. Is this correct?

I'm so sorry but the recce section is, for me, the most confussing.

Quote from: Jordi on 26 June 2023, 03:17:41 PMOk understand. To give the +1 CV to the nearest command unit (if not useing the rules for fixed formation) I have to take the distance to the nearest enemy unit and make a dice roll with the distance modifications. If I succeed (4+ in the open, 5+ soft cover, 6+ hard cover plus distance modification) I give the +1 CV for the command. Is this correct?

I'm so sorry but the recce section is, for me, the most confussing.

That is correct.

NB: there is an errata in the Recce rules that states that the target must be within LoS of the Recce unit. This is a typo - it should read that the target unit does not have to be within LoS of the Recce, just within range (60cm).

Thanks
Mark

Just to seek clarification - the modifiers on the table on page 30 are to the target number required depending on the cover occupied by the target unit?
(because the wording immediately above the table implies that they are to the dice roll - but clearly they are not because otherwise they'd have the plus and minus signs reversed from what appear)

Quote from: dylan on 28 June 2023, 02:52:11 AMJust to seek clarification - the modifiers on the table on page 30 are to the target number required depending on the cover occupied by the target unit?
(because the wording immediately above the table implies that they are to the dice roll - but clearly they are not because otherwise they'd have the plus and minus signs reversed from what appear)

Yes - the modifiers in the large table (Page 30) always apply.

The Modifiers in the small table are an errata - and represent a 'Fast Play' way of using the Pathfinder rules.
Please ignore. This will be picked up in the next set of Errata.

Thanks
Mark

Sure, but the sentence on page 30 which reads:
"To spot an enemy unit the Recce rolls 1d6 with the following modifiers:"
...is completely misleading.  The dice roll isn't what is being modified.  In fact, it is the target number that is being modified.

Quote from: dylan on 30 June 2023, 03:30:56 AMSure, but the sentence on page 30 which reads:
"To spot an enemy unit the Recce rolls 1d6 with the following modifiers:"
...is completely misleading.  The dice roll isn't what is being modified.  In fact, it is the target number that is being modified.

And yes ... I have stated previously that that is an Errata - that will be corrected