QuoteI can´t enjoy the game, because you did a lousy job.

It's odd that the many thousands of other players of BKC, CWC and FWC, over many many years, all seem to have a good grasp of how the rules work and how they are played. The fact that you appear to be unable to understand how the rules work might have more to do with your ability to understand things, than it has about me doing a "lousy job'.

Maybe if you were not so aggressive and rude in your email correspondence you might actually get some help.
But I wont be bothering to reply to you again, unless I get an appropriate apology.

Mark

Quote from: Gwydion on 16 November 2022, 02:31:42 PMI confess I'm getting confused reading this exchange.
HE assets - yes for off table arty - but only for use in scheduled fire right?
No need to buy assets for fire requested via FAO during game?
So no charge for HE if only requested fire?

That's what it used to be - have I missed a change?

No change ... that is correct Gwydion - you only buy pre-scheduled assets for fire. But you need to buy Special Munitions separately whether they are for Scheduled or FAO or FAC directed fire.

Hi Gwydion and Leon, thanks for your helpful replies.

Quote from: Big Insect on 17 November 2022, 10:46:03 AMI can´t enjoy the game, because you did a lousy job.


It's odd that the many thousands of other players of BKC, CWC and FWC, over many many years, all seem to have a good grasp of how the rules work and how they are played. The fact that you appear to be unable to understand how the rules work might have more to do with your ability to understand things, than it has about me doing a "lousy job'.

Maybe if you were not so aggressive and rude in your email correspondence you might actually get some help.
But I wont be bothering to reply to you again, unless I get an appropriate apology.

Mark

How nice calling me stupid when I just asked you in which section appeared a rule...

Had you think that A) people asking for doubts are not native english speakers and are not technomilitary geeks with the obligation of knowing every initials meaning? If you have answered  "oh, my bad, ICM are the same as cluster munitions" or "HE assets are only to scheduled attacks, maybe you missed that section, that is not in the artillery explanation" I will not have the feel of being undervaluated in my questions.

BTW, yes, I apologize if you feel that lousy was a too strong calification for your job in the rulebook, no problems, I think something was lost in the translation (in spanish "chapuza" is not an insult)

I apologise Phobos for suggesting you lacked patience.

I know playing a game and being unable to find a clarification for an acronym or TLA (three letter abbreviation ) or a rule can be a real pain. Modern military jargon is full of unhelpful instances of the abbreviation fetish.

I suspect Mark (Big Insect) hadn't realised there was a language difference, and I don't think he intended to belittle you.

CWC is a very good set of rules but I know that it can be difficult finding your way round them at times - I remember the long and generally good natured discussions on the old forum about various interpretations.

I'm sorry you are finding your enjoyment diminished. Perhaps if you continue to ask questions here and we make allowances for each other - the language interpretations etc, we can help you get a better game out of them? No one wants you to have a bad experience.

Don´t apologize with me, because in fact, I lacked patience in this issue and lost my manners.

I´m sure Big Insect didn´t have that intention, because we had other exchanges of opinion in army list errata for example without any problem.
I also want to apologize with ?Itoriel? (I can´t find his answer in the thread), I lost patience with him too and gave him a really rude answer that did not helped me at all.

I know CWC is great, we tried before Modern Spearhead, FFT3, Battle Group (not the one of PSC, another) and a couple more, without too much enjoyment. In fact, I have another CWC game this saturday, and I hope I can grasp some of the rules better.

My query for the infantry question was weird, It´s not a rules issue in fact, just of tactical employment and this was not the thread to ask about it neither.

QuoteHi, I just wanted to ask, what rules do letters A, R, and O stand for in unit notes/abilities?

The closest I can get is A for Amphibious and R for only fires in a 90 degree cone, which is weird for tanks.

I spent some time searching (case-sensitive, whole words) the rules PDF for it, but unlike S1, TI, H, I couldn't find anything that goes "marked by 'A'"

'A' = Amphibious (not to be mistaken for Aquatic - where the unit can only operate on water; or Air portable)

'R' = Restricted Arc - this not only represents fixed gun or turretless vehicles, but also tanks with poor visibility or smaller crews where the observer/commander is also loaders etc. It can also represent towed guns, that require manual or mechanical assistance to turn and redeploy.

But also remember - each model does not represent a single tank - it represents a formation - and how that formation performs effects the arc of fire. We (in the West) tend to have a perception of MBTs moving at speed, with traversing turrets. The reality, especially in Soviet bloc or developing world tank formations is that this was actually not tactical doctrine or something that crews were trained or even capable of achieving with any great success.

'O' = Open topped (this has been changed to 'Exposed') and not only represents Open topped vehicles, but those with partial armoured tops or very weak or thin top armour.

As Leon has stated above, the intention is to create a PDF that covers all the various Special Abilities and Special Characteristics, from all the army lists, into a single downloadable sheet. But as the lists are still being drafted we are actually creating more of these - such as Restricted Ammo (for example) - and so this is an on-going project (for now at least).

Thanks
Mark

QuoteBut also remember - each model does not represent a single tank - it represents a formation - and how that formation performs effects the arc of fire.

How big a formation?

They represent units vice formations in military terms:

Usually a single base or vehicle model represents a platoon of infantry or vehicles (see p.4 'Units, Formations and Battlegroups) when playing the game at the usual Div or Regimental level. One model equals one vehicle when playing at the optional Company or Battalion level.

No they represent platoons, unit is a battalion/rgt, independant companies would be minor units. Formation is several units. Correct term would be element, for a platoon.

No.
I refer you to the MOD British army website:

Corps, Regiments, Units

QuoteCORPS, REGIMENTS AND UNITS
The command structure is hierarchical with divisions and brigades responsible for administering groupings of smaller units. Major Units are regiment or battalion-sized with minor units being smaller, either company sized sub-units or platoons.

A model represents a platoon as I said

Hi Mark

This question may have come up before but Special Munitions section in the rules explains about FASCAM, but the asset details in the army lists do not include FASCAM. I assume they would require use of assets. So am unsure firstly  points cost, secondly the limit per gun or aircraft and thirdly which nations can use them.

Can you advise please and maybe include in the updated PDFs if asset lists need amending.

Rgds
Chris

Quote from: Superscribe on 18 February 2023, 10:41:11 AMHi Mark

This question may have come up before but Special Munitions section in the rules explains about FASCAM, but the asset details in the army lists do not include FASCAM. I assume they would require use of assets. So am unsure firstly  points cost, secondly the limit per gun or aircraft and thirdly which nations can use them.

Can you advise please and maybe include in the updated PDFs if asset lists need amending.

Rgds
Chris

Hi Chris
I think I may have answered this previously - but FASCAM P65/66 are indicated in the army lists where appropriate, in the Assets section (sometimes they may fall under the category ICM or DPICM - Dual-purpose improved conventional munition).
They were not as widely distributed as we might think. They were generally limited to Remote Anti-Armor Mine System (RAAMS) (delivered via 155mm howitzer shell); Area Denial Artillery Munition (ADAM) (again delivered via a 155mm howitzer shell) or GATOR mine system (which were air dropped).
You might find this article of interest: https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/land/fascam.htm

It is best to check the PDF versions of the lists rather than relying upon the example lists in the printed rules.
Only the UK, US, West Germany, and Soviet forces (not 1st or 2nd grade Warsaw Pact) can use them.

Their biggest issue was coordination and the US required Brigade authorization for their deployment. Primarily because of the complexity of mapping their deployment - especially as some munitions had the potential of a much longer 'live' time-range than others (or had the ability to shut off after a certain time) - plus they were totally indiscriminate making friendly fire from them a real issue.
The Soviets used a lot of them in Afghanistan - mostly small AP butterfly mines - dropped by air.

Hope that helps (a bit)
Mark

Hi,

Is there any reason for having infantry as low profile in BKCIV and average in CWCII?

Thanks