Hi Mark

OK, so if Abbot is 4/100 and 4/100H on-table, should off-table still be a 3 or adjusted to a 4?
They cant really go to a 4 for off-table, as M109 155mm are 4s and other British 105s are 3s.

The table on p52 specifically says its for On-table Direct Fire i.e. firing over open sights at a target in its LOS. Could it be that this table is correct for direct fire and stats of 3/100 still apply to on-table indirect fire, then that would match the existing 3 for off-table Abbots?

Rgds

Chris

Quote from: Superscribe on 14 September 2022, 04:31:44 PMHi Mark

OK, so if Abbot is 4/100 and 4/100H on-table, should off-table still be a 3 or adjusted to a 4?
They cant really go to a 4 for off-table, as M109 155mm are 4s and other British 105s are 3s.

The table on p52 specifically says its for On-table Direct Fire i.e. firing over open sights at a target in its LOS. Could it be that this table is correct for direct fire and stats of 3/100 still apply to on-table indirect fire, then that would match the existing 3 for off-table Abbots?

Rgds

Chris

It's entirely up to you Chris - but the principle is that if on-table is 3/100 - then the off-table is also 3.
That is the way the rules are designed, and those are the official bandings. It is about keeping things simple to remember.
Somebody will no-doubt be able to argue that not all 105mm guns are equal (for example) 
Cheers
 

Hi Mark

Excellent game last weekend and  many thanks for coming along. You are always welcome to join us for any of our future games.

For our next game later this month we plan to do the Extraction Scenario 1:1 Soviet MR Pl trying to extract, hunted down by a British Mech Combat Team, with 4x Hip available for extraction. A couple of thoughts when I was looking at force composition:

• FV432 has AP 1/50 and the FV432 with Peake turret has 2/50, similar to other APCs.  As these are transports for 2 Inf teams can they still fire if both teams have debussed? 
• Also the scenario defender major objective states 'extracting at least 50% of remaining defending units off-table" If for example they start with 16 units and by GT5 they are down to 10 units left, do they only need to extract 5 units to achieve their major objective?

Regards
Chris

QuoteHi Mark

Excellent game last weekend and  many thanks for coming along. You are always welcome to join us for any of our future games.

> many thanks Chris - great game and good to see a Soviet player doing so well in an attacking scenario. That flanking helicopter strike would have got John a 'Hero of the Soviet Union' medal for sure.

For our next game later this month we plan to do the Extraction Scenario 1:1 Soviet MR Pl trying to extract, hunted down by a British Mech Combat Team, with 4x Hip available for extraction. A couple of thoughts when I was looking at force composition:

• FV432 has AP 1/50 and the FV432 with Peake turret has 2/50, similar to other APCs.  As these are transports for 2 Inf teams can they still fire if both teams have debussed? 

> Yes, that is correct

• Also the scenario defender major objective states 'extracting at least 50% of remaining defending units off-table" If for example they start with 16 units and by GT5 they are down to 10 units left, do they only need to extract 5 units to achieve their major objective?

> I don't have my rules with me - let me check & confirm
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Regards
Chris

• Also the scenario defender major objective states 'extracting at least 50% of remaining defending units off-table" If for example they start with 16 units and by GT5 they are down to 10 units left, do they only need to extract 5 units to achieve their major objective?

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> yes, that is correct Chris - I am assuming that your attackers in this scenario are the British (as the defender cannot use any vehicles, other than the helicopters) 

Hi Mark

Thank you for clarifying - scenario will be Soviet MR Pl trying to extract hunted down by a British Mech Combat Team

Regards

Chris

QuoteHi Mark

Thank you for clarifying - scenario will be Soviet MR Pl trying to extract hunted down by a British Mech Combat Team

Regards

Chris

>The scenario requires the British (the Defender) to only consist of:
Command units (which could include a Sniper), Recce units (on foot), Infantry units (on foot) & Infantry Support units (on foot) + the helicopters required. No other off-table assets for either side, and no Vehicles for the Defender.

This has been played many times in play-test and by others as a fun game. It is actually tough for both sides, even when you are down to 2 units left on the defenders side and you need to try & just get 1 off-table for a Major victory.
It is a fun game for small forces, although it would be interesting to play it with larger ones.

I shall await the game report & outcome with great interest.
Good luck

Hi Mark
The Soviets will be the defenders (MR Pl with only foot-based units) - the hunter force will be a British Mech CT with vehicles.

I have play tested at home - it is a fun game and it can be quite challenging for both sides

Will let you know how we get on
Chris

We have also played it where the Soviets are a team of Spetznats and that can be very interesting indeed.

Sounds good Chris.

Have decided to go with VDV and all teams will be elite, at extra 5pts cost per support team. Will let you know how it goes on 23rd. C

I still don´t see where are the rules for ICM and HE munitions.

Also, What´s infantry good for? We struggle to find them a role in our games, apart from wander in their transports.

Quote from: Phobos on 15 November 2022, 01:40:31 PMI still don´t see where are the rules for ICM and HE munitions.

Also, What´s infantry good for? We struggle to find them a role in our games, apart from wander in their transports.

HE Ammo is the standard default ammo for all artillery and mortars.
ICMs are grouped into the Special Munitions sections

Infantry - great for holding BUAs or fighting in rough ground - useful for assaulting. Cheap so they boost your army breakpoint.

Quote from: Big Insect on 15 November 2022, 03:21:56 PMHE Ammo is the standard default ammo for all artillery and mortars.
ICMs are grouped into the Special Munitions sections

Infantry - great for holding BUAs or fighting in rough ground - useful for assaulting. Cheap so they boost your army breakpoint.

If its the standard why it has an extra points cost in the army lists?
I repeat, ICM DONT appear in the Special Munitions section on pages 65-66. Also don´t appear PGM, even if it´s on the introduction of the section. Only thermo, napalm, chem/bio, FASCAM, cluster and Nuclear.

Why assaulting BUAs if they don´t have tactical value? just to being ignored by the other army? My republican Guard took a BUA in the middle of the table, just to spend all the battle doin nothin because nobody felt the urge to attack them at all.

  Also, I really want to like CWC, but this kind of amateurish redaction in the rules is a big turn off for new players.
 In which part for example, it points that HE is the default munition? if it don´t explicitly says that, it only leads to confusion.

Quote from: Phobos on 15 November 2022, 03:30:59 PMIf its the standard why it has an extra points cost in the army lists?
I repeat, ICM DONT appear in the Special Munitions section on pages 65-66. Also don´t appear PGM, even if it´s on the introduction of the section. Only thermo, napalm, chem/bio, FASCAM, cluster and Nuclear.

Why assaulting BUAs if they don´t have tactical value? just to being ignored by the other army? My republican Guard took a BUA in the middle of the table, just to spend all the battle doin nothin because nobody felt the urge to attack them at all.

Can I clarify what you mean by ICM please?
I understand ICMs to be cluster munitions which are covered.

The extra cost for HE in the lists is for off-table Assets.
You buy these to allow your off-table guns to fire as pre-registered HE assets.
All other Commanded firing of HE by off-table artillery is included in the cost of the artillery pieces. 
So if you want a battery (unit) of off-table guns to fire HE at a pre-plotted point on the table at a specific turn, you must spend 10pts to do so. This asset allows you to fire that gun once in the game at that target point, and it hits that point with no deviation.
Th same gun can fire - under Commanded fire (in a different turn) - when Commanded by an FAO. However it's shooting may be subject to deviation and the FAO must pass a Command roll. There is no extra cost for this.
However, if that gun is firing special munitions (cluster munitions, napalm etc.) it has to buy those munitions separately, regardless of whether they are fired as assets or using Commanded fire. Again, the cost (50pts) to fire Napalm (for example) only allows that gun to fire that munition once in a game.

You are taking me literally -  - infantry can assault other infantry in a BUA - Tanks can only assault infantry in the open. So to clear enemy infantry from a BUA, you will need your own Infantry.

Hope that helps?
Mark