CWC-2 Army Lists

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Leon

21 October 2022, 12:35:58 AM #90
With all of the shows recently we've been a little behind on getting the next batch of CWC-2 lists done, but the good news is that we've got another 7 uploaded now including the Iran-Iraq Wars plus some of the African conflicts too:


Africa Conflicts
- Suez Crisis, 1956
- African Communist Insurgencies, 1961-74
- Portuguese Colonial Wars, 1961-74
- Ogaden War Ethiopian, 1977-78
- Ogaden War Somalian, 1977-78


Iran-Iraq Wars 1946-2003
- Iran
- Iraq
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Smartbomb

24 October 2022, 01:02:15 AM #91
Awesome, thanks! One minor addition would be Cuban BMD-1s in the Ogden War, which were airlifted to outflank Somali forces at Jijiga.

Big Insect

24 October 2022, 02:21:17 PM #92
Quote from: Smartbomb on 24 October 2022, 01:02:15 AMAwesome, thanks! One minor addition would be Cuban BMD-1s in the Ogden War, which were airlifted to outflank Somali forces at Jijiga.

Thank you

The BRMD-1's/2s are there ... in the Recce section, but the BMP-1's were not airlifted (as far as I am aware) it was primarily BRDMs, Infantry and ASU-85s (unless you know otherwise?)  :)
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

24 October 2022, 02:24:22 PM #93
Mark - check the EE-9 and EE-11, all wheeled but not in lists, 9 is in one but not other, 11 in neither.
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Big Insect

24 October 2022, 03:18:12 PM #94
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 October 2022, 02:24:22 PMMark - check the EE-9 and EE-11, all wheeled but not in lists, 9 is in one but not other, 11 in neither.


Now you really are confusing me Ian
Typically if a vehicle is designated as AC (Armoured Car) it is automatically classified as Wheeled.

Sometime - on obscure vehicles - I will emphasis that by putting Wheeled in the notes, but other times (where it is obvious - such as with Armoured Cars) I don't.
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Mark
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

24 October 2022, 03:22:05 PM #95
Both types appear in both Iran and Iraq lists - EE-9 is wheeled in special column in one, appears in both, EE-11 in both with no wheeled note. Should be easy to spot as you did Wheeled in RED.
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Big Insect

24 October 2022, 03:27:57 PM #96
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 October 2022, 03:22:05 PMBoth types appear in both Iran and Iraq lists - EE-9 is wheeled in special column in one, appears in both, EE-11 in both with no wheeled note. Should be easy to spot as you did Wheeled in RED.

Ah - the red is because I was due to edit it out Ian  :D  Good spot
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

24 October 2022, 03:45:42 PM #97
Get it RIGHT  ;)
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flamingpig0

26 October 2022, 02:23:04 PM #98
Quote from: Leon on 21 October 2022, 12:35:58 AMWith all of the shows recently we've been a little behind on getting the next batch of CWC-2 lists done, but the good news is that we've got another 7 uploaded now including the Iran-Iraq Wars plus some of the African conflicts too:


Africa Conflicts
- Suez Crisis, 1956
- African Communist Insurgencies, 1961-74
- Portuguese Colonial Wars, 1961-74
- Ogaden War Ethiopian, 1977-78
- Ogaden War Somalian, 1977-78


Iran-Iraq Wars 1946-2003
- Iran
- Iraq

For the Ogaden war there is info that South Yemen provided two T34/85 battalions to support the Ethiopians; so the list should have few. Veteran or otherwise.
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Big Insect

26 October 2022, 07:19:57 PM #99
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 26 October 2022, 02:23:04 PMFor the Ogaden war there is info that South Yemen provided two T34/85 battalions to support the Ethiopians; so the list should have few. Veteran or otherwise.

Do you have that source please? As I could find record of veteran South Yemen tank crews, supporting the Ethiopians, but not what they were driving.
Thanks
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26 October 2022, 08:02:28 PM #100 Last Edit: 26 October 2022, 08:11:59 PM by flamingpig0
QuoteDo you have that source please? As I could find record of veteran South Yemen tank crews, supporting the Ethiopians, but not what they were driving.
Thanks
Mark

http://armchairgeneral.com/the-ogaden-war-1977-1978.htm

QuoteThe Ethiopians started receiving lots of help. Two South Yemeni tank Battalions with T-34s arrived in late September, and the Russians increased their aid.

Unfortunately no first had sources but it seems plausible; particularly as there doesn't seem to be any evidence that  South Yemen ever had T54s. Or at least  as far as I can find
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sultanbev

26 October 2022, 09:44:53 PM #101
I have them listed in MicroMark list AF80M:
   2 Yemeni Tank Battalions@   (late 1977+)
      Bttn HQ: 2x T-34/85

      3 Companies@ CHQ: 2x T-34/85
         2 platoons@ 3x T-34/85
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See List LA65M for the Cuban reinforcements

Mark

Big Insect

27 October 2022, 10:27:14 AM #102
I agree that it seems logical - but as you say I can find nothing 1st-hand to back it up.

But bit more likely than the stories of the Israelis supplying napalm and cluster bombs and even (allegedly) flying sorties against the Somalis.

We can add the Yemini T34s in when we pick up the other list errata.
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Smartbomb

31 October 2022, 02:50:54 AM #103
Quote from: Big Insect on 24 October 2022, 02:21:17 PMThank you

The BRMD-1's/2s are there ... in the Recce section, but the BMP-1's were not airlifted (as far as I am aware) it was primarily BRDMs, Infantry and ASU-85s (unless you know otherwise?)  :)

For the BMD-1s: Helion's Ogden War book (where I read it) and Grange, David (2002). Air-Mech-Strike, 2nd Ed. Paducah, KY: Turner Publishing Co. pp. 86–88. Per Wikipedia.

Big Insect

31 October 2022, 11:36:02 AM #104
Quote from: Smartbomb on 31 October 2022, 02:50:54 AMFor the BMD-1s: Helion's Ogden War book (where I read it) and Grange, David (2002). Air-Mech-Strike, 2nd Ed. Paducah, KY: Turner Publishing Co. pp. 86–88. Per Wikipedia.

Many thanks Chris - I will include them for the Cubans, as c.70 appear to have been deployed in the Jijiiga flanking manoeuvre.
Which makes some sense, although it was a very 'early' non-Soviet use of the BMD, as it was only seen 'in public' in late 1970.
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