British list (online and PDF)
On table artillery section 
The Oto Melara and L118 105's have a movement of 50.

Soviet List (online and PDF)
Battlegroup Selection states max nine heavy tank units per Battlegroup
No reference to what is a heavy tank in the lists.
I guess any AFV in the list with a limit of [9] is classed as heavy (IS2, IS3, T-64 etc..)  ?

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 25 May 2022, 10:05:21 PMIn the Soviet list, the BTR 152 is given transport (1) - I would suggest that is low and it should be transport (2)

That would make sense as the earlier mechanised and motor rifle battalions had 2x BTR-152/50 per platoon to carry 3 squads and a small PHQ.

Dates on the US korean list - Chaffee 1952 -54 - should be 1950?

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 May 2022, 12:34:09 PMCouple of errors there Mark - only use of Vigilent by the British was on Ferrets in Recce squardrons. All infantry had in theroy a GW platoon from 1970? but never instigated. I suspect that is where you are getting the Para use. If you insist pictorial evidence please. Paras had either Malkara/Hornet or Ferret 5 with Swingfire.

THere is a book on the 3rd or 5th Para in the Falklands I borrowed from the library, it explicitly describes the para brigade as having X and Y A/T troops with Vigilant up to 1977, after which they got the Milans in the battalions. Can't remember which book it is now and I can't find my notes I made at the time.

On a more general note, I'm a bit confused by the WW2 equipment carried over from BKCIV. Are the gun stats meant to be the same as BKCIV for Shermans et al, or are new numbers introduced to reflect their relative less effectiveness compared to modern guns? I can understand lower factors, but I wouldn't have thought the ranges change unless different ammo was used.

For example, in the 1950s Indo-China list the Sherman as A/T 3/8 (a typo for 3/80 presumably), the M24 which has identical firepower, A/T = 3/60 H.

Quote from: Big Insect on 24 May 2022, 01:04:08 PMM24 Light Tank (Chaffee) stats should all be: AP: 3/100 | AT: 2/90

Thus the Sherman with 75mm and British 75mm QF should also be these? Any reason why the maximum range has increased compared to the WW2 stats?

WARPAC
StuG III has the same gun as Hetzer, but A/T =2/50 and 2/75 respectively?
And PAK40 A/T = 2/75
Any reason why these guns have shorter range than their WW2 counterpart?
Missing the 88mmL71 PAK43/41 as used by some Warpac nations in early Cold War.

US List
76mm M1 gun (M4A3 76mm) same A/T stats as 90mm M3 gun in M26 Pershing - is this due to lack of wiggle room at the lower end of the gun spectrum? Again ranges altered compared to WW2 rules. 76mm up, 90mm down.

Hi all,

Its been a good read so far! A few things I noticed.

In response to the question about points costs differences between the M60A3 and RISE, is the extra points possibly because of the fact thelat the RISE has ERA?

On the Warsaw Pact Grade 2 Army List I think the FJB40 might be accidentally overcosted. It has the same stats as the Wachregiment, but is 20 pts more. Maybe the option recce support of 20 pts was costed in?

Also, as far as suggestions: Brazilian EE-3 Jaracara, EE-9 Cascavel, and EE-11 Urutu, and Israeli M50 and M51 Super Shermans stats would be great. Same with Ogaden War Army lists like V1.

Quote. . . and Israeli M50 and M51 Super Shermans stats would be great.

Wouldn't that just be an M4A3E8 with either the gun from the AMX-13/75 (M50), or the gun from the AMX-30 (M51)?

Quote from: Raider4 on 26 May 2022, 04:20:59 PMWouldn't that just be an M4A3E8 with either the gun from the AMX-13/75 (M50), or the gun from the AMX-30 (M51)?

Different, less flamey engines, or on the early ones more flamey engine and worse suspension.

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 25 May 2022, 10:05:21 PMIn the Soviet list, the BTR 152 is given transport (1) - I would suggest that is low and it should be transport (2)

I think that is a fair point - the BTR 'family' of vehicles seems to have broadly carried c.15 passengers (excluding 2 crew) and that equates to half of a Soviet platoon.

An M113 - our standard CWC APC template - Transport (2) holds 11 passengers + the track commander - which also equates to over 1/3rd of a US infantry platoon (@ 27 infantry).

Thanks

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 25 May 2022, 10:01:08 PMAssuming I am reading the lists correctly the French don't seem to have any compulsory infantry.

Correct - it allows you to field Armoured Recce formations with no infantry.
Quite a few of the lists have no compulsory Infantry - it is a deliberate decision.

Quote from: glennister on 26 May 2022, 02:34:47 AMBritish list (online and PDF)
On table artillery section 
The Oto Melara and L118 105's have a movement of 50.

> typo - should be 5 (but I will double check) - good spot

Soviet List (online and PDF)
Battlegroup Selection states max nine heavy tank units per Battlegroup
No reference to what is a heavy tank in the lists.
I guess any AFV in the list with a limit of [9] is classed as heavy (IS2, IS3, T-64 etc..)  ?

> yes - that is a good point and is a carry over from CWC-II lists - I'll look at a deffintion as I ma not sure that there was one in CWC-I either.

Thanks
Mark

Quote from: sultanbev on 26 May 2022, 08:49:12 AMOn a more general note, I'm a bit confused by the WW2 equipment carried over from BKCIV. Are the gun stats meant to be the same as BKCIV for Shermans et al, or are new numbers introduced to reflect their relative less effectiveness compared to modern guns? I can understand lower factors, but I wouldn't have thought the ranges change unless different ammo was used.

For example, in the 1950s Indo-China list the Sherman as A/T 3/8 (a typo for 3/80 presumably), the M24 which has identical firepower, A/T = 3/60 H. Thus the Sherman with 75mm and British 75mm QF should also be these? Any reason why the maximum range has increased compared to the WW2 stats?

WARPAC
StuG III has the same gun as Hetzer, but A/T =2/50 and 2/75 respectively?
And PAK40 A/T = 2/75
Any reason why these guns have shorter range than their WW2 counterpart?
Missing the 88mmL71 PAK43/41 as used by some Warpac nations in early Cold War.

US List
76mm M1 gun (M4A3 76mm) same A/T stats as 90mm M3 gun in M26 Pershing - is this due to lack of wiggle room at the lower end of the gun spectrum? Again ranges altered compared to WW2 rules. 76mm up, 90mm down.

I'll break this out into it's component bits Mark - thanks. However, on the WW2 stats - there should be no comparison between BKCIV stats and CWC-II stats. We tried to use the BKC stats as a starting point but it became impossible as we headed into the late 1980/1990s with the larger tank guns.

Thanks
Mark

Quote from: Smartbomb on 26 May 2022, 03:57:18 PMAlso, as far as suggestions: Brazilian EE-3 Jaracara, EE-9 Cascavel, and EE-11 Urutu, and Israeli M50 and M51 Super Shermans stats would be great. Same with Ogaden War Army lists like V1.

Thanks Smartbomb - will pick up your other points - all the South American lists and units are in a future army list release, I'll look at the Israeli stuff and there are also a number of African lists on the way, and the Ogaden War is in there (along with a new African Marxist Insurgency and Colonial Portuguese list).

Glad you are enjoying it.

Mark

Quote from: Big Insect on 26 May 2022, 07:13:54 PMThanks Smartbomb - will pick up your other points - all the South American lists and units are in a future army list release, I'll look at the Israeli stuff and there are also a number of African lists on the way, and the Ogaden War is in there (along with a new African Marxist Insurgency and Colonial Portuguese list).

Glad you are enjoying it.

Mark

Definitely! African lists are always fun - lots of oddities like old Shermans, the aforementioned Cascavels in Zimbabwe, Cuban BMDs, Portuguese G.91s and EBR90s, on and on and on.

Quote from: Raider4 on 26 May 2022, 04:20:59 PMWouldn't that just be an M4A3E8 with either the gun from the AMX-13/75 (M50), or the gun from the AMX-30 (M51)?

To be honest can't remember what stats I gave it but it was derived from the orginal set.