Pics of Command marching, Matchlockmen marching and Pikemen standing.
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Quote from: clibinarium on 23 March 2011, 01:01:24 AM
Pics of Command marching, Matchlockmen marching and Pikemen standing.
Ooh, I'm predicting some happy customers! :D
Those are MAGNIFICENT. The command group just shouts late 17th century. There is a life to them that you do not usually get in small figures. Congratulations!
Mollinary
Stunning Clib, stunning :o
That is some of your nicest work in 10mm, and it is as better than most 15mm figures on the market. Great job and I will be ordering those as soon as they are up on the webpage.
PS I really hope that your plan is to do the French Rev war as we talked about. I have lots of pdfs with illustrations of uniforms poses etc if you are intrested just contact me at wkeyser at aol dot com
Thanks for your great work.
William
Gorgeous !
Post more pictures, please.
:) Sold; Bothwell Brig and Killiecrankie here I come! m/
Leon
I would put the photos on TMP as a news item, even if they are not produced yet, but rather just as the first greens in a new range!
They are quite amazing given that they are 10mm.
William
Those are jaw droppingly magnificant!
Excellent figures, just found my next period!!
Ok, what books can I get to research this period?
Hi
Osprey battle of the boyne is ok and the osprey about the british army 1660 - 1700 isn`t too bad. They aren`t the best books in the world but they`ll do for a start. They`re good as a taster though.
Jim
I often do periods in two scales 28mm and 10mm, seems I will be adding this to the list ...
Quote from: Wkeyser on 23 March 2011, 09:17:50 AM
I would put the photos on TMP as a news item, even if they are not produced yet, but rather just as the first greens in a new range!
They are quite amazing given that they are 10mm.
I'll be doing this when I get in tonight hopefully, I've got a load of photo's to take of other masters as well.
Quote from: Frantic on 23 March 2011, 01:39:18 PM
Ok, what books can I get to research this period?
For uniforms Charles Grant's "From Pike to Shot" is quite good if you can find it. The new edition of "Beneath the Lilly Banners" will have a section on uniforms with painted figures as examples, plus will be full of eye candy anyway. Also on the way is the FoG army list "Duty and Glory; Europe 1660-1698" which might be worth a look too.
Superb! It's not a period I plan to adopt, but I applaud the work.
Clib.
Those are ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC....What do you mean by telling me that you can't do super-fine detail !!
You fibber you !!
VBWs - (Very best wishes) - Phil (aka Techno)
Simply stunning sculpting 8).
Yip - simply magnifique (sic) I love em to bits - but simply cannot handle painting another colourful army - these babies deserve great paint jobs. Well done that fellow!!! 8) 8) :P
:o stunning stuff (are they realy 10mm ??? )
these look better than lots of 28mm minis that are out there
They are absolutely great! I must read something about the period immediately!
lovely work yet again Clib!!!
Delightful - so evocative of the late C17th prints with baggy cuffs and floppy hats
Wow. Really nice.
Too much choice. Don't know where to turn next.
Might have to switch the computer off to prevent temptation!!!
Well, perhaps not.
Good Heavens! These are super. They just beg to be painted up for a Siege of Vienna game. ;D
Quote from: Wkeyser on 23 March 2011, 07:49:28 AM
That is some of your nicest work in 10mm, and it is as better than most 15mm figures on the market.
Its better work than some
28mm figs i've seen!!
Excellent work Clib...not sure i'll be pitching into this period in the near future but i know someone who may well do!
Yet another win for Pendraken's ever-expanding ranges...
Oh my. I was afraid this range would be too tempting. Very nice posing and sculpting Clib, I'm going to have to hold off on my WSS/GNW purchases for now to save up for these babies.
I consider converting some figures for WSS. I hope, Clib will do musketers with cartridge box.
Palatinates wore coats without main belt, and with two crossbelts instead up to 1706. Some drawings suggests that Austrians also could be modelled in this manner.
The main problem will be remodelling headgear to tricornes, but I hope I will cope with this.
These really are full of character - excellent work :-bd
But I don't want to get into another period ~X(
Cheers,
Kev
Quote from: Zbigniew on 24 March 2011, 06:08:54 PM
They are absolutely great! I must read something about the period immediately!
King Billy...1690....Beating up Papists...No surrender ....thats about it really...
Oh the French might have done some stuff as well in europe ;)
Quote from: Fenton on 26 March 2011, 03:11:18 PM
King Billy...1690....Beating up Papists...No surrender ....thats about it really...
Oh the French might have done some stuff as well in europe ;)
Thanks Fenton!
These look amazing but I fear they may be almost too detailed for 10mm if that's possible. They will demand a good paint job leading to thoughts of may as well do the period in a larger scale.
Are they on the larger side of 10mm? And if so will they be comparable with GNW/WSS where there is a bit of overlap?
Hope I don't sound too negative,
Cheers,
Andy
I think they're looking very good. Might they work for the Scanian War mayhap?
Depending on how the molding works out (its a destructive process for the greens) I might do some conversions to add a couple of suitable packs for the Scanian War, eg Infantry in fur hats.
Quote from: tzen67 on 29 March 2011, 12:19:49 PM
These look amazing but I fear they may be almost too detailed for 10mm if that's possible. They will demand a good paint job leading to thoughts of may as well do the period in a larger scale.
This issue comes up occassionally and I tend to take it as a compliment. However I don't believe that a good figure necessarily demands a great paint job; you can decide which details to paint or leave. I sometimes have found myself not bothering to paint some details I sculpted on the AWI figures. My approach is to put on as much detail as I can sculpting, and let the painter decide for themselves what to paint, I reckon its easier to not paint something that is there rather than try to paint on details that aren't. Possibly its easier to do this with a black undercoat as opposed to white.
If you look at how people paint Perry figures they run the gamut from astounding to blinkin awful, but so long as the painter is happy with the job, little else matters.
"but so long as the painter is happy with the job, little else matters."
Very true.
Any idea on when we'll be able to buy these? :)
Quote from: clibinarium on 29 March 2011, 11:47:03 PM
Depending on how the molding works out (its a destructive process for the greens) I might do some conversions to add a couple of suitable packs for the Scanian War, eg Infantry in fur hats.
Nice. :) We'll wait and see then.
Quote from: clibinarium on 29 March 2011, 11:47:03 PM
If you look at how people paint Perry figures they run the gamut from astounding to blinkin awful, but so long as the painter is happy with the job, little else matters.
Frankly I find that it's much easier to get a good look from a superb sculpt with a simple paint job as opposed to the work needed for a good look of a bad sculpt with a superb paint job. Since I control the sculpt with my decision on what to buy and the paint job with the time I put into painting I think every designer/manufacturer should strive to achieve good detail as this is where they can appeal to me. ;) That being said, mold lines on a very detailed miniature can be very annoying to clean. Luckily I've not had that problem with Pendraken so far, due to good molds and casting technique I suppose but definitely not from a lack of detail.
Noooooooooo!
OMG, Another project?
My wife is gona kill me!
;)
Gutted, i was hoping these would have been released this month, guess i will have to hang on a while longer. Clib, have you also done pikemen marching/advancing? It seems odd if the command and musketeers are advancing and the pike are standing.
I hope there are lots more releases to come in this rang.
Aargh sweet jezus, they look good...
I don't even do 'Augsburg'. But now I may have to. Why do you bunch of $%#@&% keep doing this to us!? ;)
Cheers,
Aart
Quote from: YORSTONS on 01 April 2011, 06:40:50 PM
Gutted, i was hoping these would have been released this month, guess i will have to hang on a while longer.
We'll have them for the May releases, just not enough time to get production moulds ready for this month. We'll have some sample packs at Salute though, if you're going?
Perfect timing. BLB2 expected April
Quote from: Chad on 02 April 2011, 09:02:24 AM
Perfect timing. BLB2 expected April
Yep, we've been contacted about advertising in it.
How much of the old range is being replaced? Can we expect to see new mounted and artillery figures as well? Apologies if this has been asked and answered already - too lazy to read through the whole lot ;)
Quote from: SV52 on 03 April 2011, 08:37:50 AM
How much of the old range is being replaced? Can we expect to see new mounted and artillery figures as well?
All of it, and yes!
Hi Leon,what will be the composition of the command pack? I like to have lots of flags with my units so the more ensigns the better. Also will there be a casualty pack like the AWI range? please!!!!!!
Quote from: YORSTONS on 05 April 2011, 10:47:46 AM
Hi Leon,what will be the composition of the command pack? I like to have lots of flags with my units so the more ensigns the better. Also will there be a casualty pack like the AWI range? please!!!!!!
Probably 3 of each pose to give 15 figures, same as the AWI command packs.
Not sure on the casualties, maybe?
They are fantastic. I have played BLB a few times but as usual I tend to be the only one interested.
At 10 mm it would be a possibility.
And there's me trying to avoid buying anything. Looks pretty hopeless with this and the new French Naps.
http://weemenunderthebed.blogspot.com/
Released in May you say, are you going to be at Sheffield Triples this year?
Hey guys,
Not to be a downer here, but I bought a 20 figure sample pack at Salute and there were 7 figures that have serious casting flaws (that's 35% of the pack) to the point of making the figure unusable. The main problem figures are the marching musketeers who seem to have a major casting issue on the left arm holding the musket. The other figures that are miscast are the officer with half pike (problem with head) and the ensign with raised arm.
I hope these issues can be sorted before they go into production as the sculpting by Clibinarium on the figures themselves beggars belief given they are 10mm. I and a friend are intending to do a large LoA project wtih these, but I have to say that based upon what I saw in the sample pack I am having serious doubts. Please check the molds again, I really want to do this project! I'm happy to send the figures back to you guys so you can see exactly what the problem is.
Regards,
David
Hi,
I also bought the sample pack - 20 figures for a pound, what a deal! Did not encounter problems on the scale of Hastati. My figures were 1 standard bearer, 2 Officers, 1 drummer, 5 marching musketeers and 5 standing musketeers, 1 marching and 5 standing pikes.
Of those, the only real problem I discovered was with one of the officers. As described by Hastati, there is a problem with the head/wig, which is just plain smooth metal. The rest are clearly the best and most detailed sculpts for 10mm figures that I have ever seen!
Mollinary
Quote from: Hastati on 19 April 2011, 06:44:06 AM
I bought a 20 figure sample pack at Salute and there were 7 figures that have serious casting flaws (that's 35% of the pack) to the point of making the figure unusable. The main problem figures are the marching musketeers who seem to have a major casting issue on the left arm holding the musket. The other figures that are miscast are the officer with half pike (problem with head) and the ensign with raised arm.
I hope these issues can be sorted before they go into production as the sculpting by Clibinarium on the figures themselves beggars belief given they are 10mm. I and a friend are intending to do a large LoA project wtih these, but I have to say that based upon what I saw in the sample pack I am having serious doubts. Please check the molds again, I really want to do this project! I'm happy to send the figures back to you guys so you can see exactly what the problem is.
Thanks for the info, I take full responsibility for that. I was just spinning and spinning the master mould leading up to Salute, so I probably wasn't checking them as thoroughly as normal.
I'll cast a couple of spins this afternoon and have a good look through for these problems. We do always check every single figure before they get put into production moulds, so problems like this are usually very rare once we've got to that point.
Quote from: Leon on 19 April 2011, 12:25:24 PM
We do always check every single figure before they get put into production moulds, so problems like this are usually very rare once we've got to that point.
I'm sure you guys will replace or restitute and sort out the casting problem. And consider this: if 13 out of those 20 figures turned out like the artist meant them to be, that is a feat by itself. Because they are
mouth-wateringly beautiful for 10mm scale models. Couple of friends and myself are considering a possible purchase and a few casting hiccups caused by the heat of the moment will certainly not put us off.
Cheers,
Aart
They are as you say, mouth wateringly nice figures.
Now all we need to do is some how clone Clib and make him/them do lots of differnt ranges.
Mind you I think ALL the sculpters in the Pendraken stable are producing some stunning work at the moment. 8)
Just for info, I've gone through all the figures, and the corresponding masters, and found the four problem figures. They've got damaged somewhere during moulding, and lost some detail around the hands on some, and the head/wig as mentioned above. They've all gone in the post to Clib today, and he's going to fix them up.
Somene mentioned the Scanian War earlier. I don't know if these figures are produced by anyone in any scale so some head conversions to do figures in karpus would be most welcome and would be the final push to get me into 10mm. Excellent sculpting work. Doing a project in 10mm is also space and cash effective enough to allow large enough units to be modeled to show the numerical disparity between Danish battalions, reported to be at about 350 all ranks and Swedish battalions which numbered only around 180-200.
When do you anticipate the LoA being available in the U.S?
Quote from: conflans on 21 April 2011, 02:22:49 AM
When do you anticipate the LoA being available in the U.S?
Exactly the same as the UK, as soon as they hit the website. We'll have them ready for the May Releases, but we may have to delay a couple of the codes while the poses discussed above are being repaired.
You can also order through The Warstore or Great Hall Games. 8)
My Lead pile is about to get bigger, I can already see these with Phils (WRG) Horse Foot and Guns using the bases for 25mm. figures.
I think that will be about 32 figures per base in 2 ranks.
Quote from: Leon on 19 April 2011, 07:17:43 PM
Just for info, I've gone through all the figures, and the corresponding masters, and found the four problem figures. They've got damaged somewhere during moulding, and lost some detail around the hands on some, and the head/wig as mentioned above. They've all gone in the post to Clib today, and he's going to fix them up.
Thanks for checking this Leon. Great news as I look forwards to buying many of this range!!!!
Any news on these? What will be released in May? Have two battlions done for Captain General and will post some photos this weekend. One French the other Dutch
William
L of A now released! Couple of codes which are currently unavailable, but the rest are there. Details here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2773.0
Are the new LOA figures compatible with the old range?
Quote from: tzen67 on 02 May 2011, 07:13:10 AM
Are the new LOA figures compatible with the old range?
Nope, not at all. The old range was one of the oldest left in our catalogue and was a lot smaller and thinner than any of our current ranges. Once we've filled out the codes a little more on the new range, the old one will be phased out and taken off the website.
Hi Leon
Ok now that the range is official, could we get a rough idea of what is in the pipe line, and perhaps potential release dates? I am not trying to pin you down to exact dates but give us an idea so we can plan what those of us who love these figures will be buying.
After many years of purchasing "new" ranges" I now usually wait until I see the majority of the range available before I jump in. I really want to jump in with the league of Augsburg range but would love to get some more detail on what is planned or at least what Clib is thinking of doing.
William
can i second that request from Wkeyser ? I'm in early planning stages and it would be good to know what the pipeline looks like - even at an early stage. I promise I won't ask about tarletons......
To be honest there's no projected release dates, nor indeed specific plans for what's next. By that I mean I just sit down, see what can be made from the dollies I have available and start work; I'm not someone who starts with a specific end point in mind.
Roughly speaking the next set of releases will fill out the grenadiers; the different poses will have particular caps, since there was a fair degree of diversity. Might do some fusiliers and dismounted dragoons too. At the same time I'll be finalising the horses to get started on the cav. I am working on 28mm LoA cavalry right now, so I'm learning a lot from that about how to tackle the horsemen!
thanks Clib that helps :)
Yes thanks for that Clib
It does help but not in a good way. I usually don’t jump into a period unless there are enough figures in a range to cover the majority of the period or the portion that I want to do. This news will put me on the side line I think until I see the rest of the range, i.e. grenadiers, commanders, Horse, Dragoons, and Artillery. Since there is no timetable, which I understand, then I will sit this out until the range is substantially filled out. But it will probably be worth the wait.
Thanks
William
Unfortunately I tend to agree with William, particularly given that the figures with flintlocks have got to be repaired. At most I will probably buy a couple of sample packs and then put matters on hold.
Chad
It's well outside my normal gaming period (1830-1870 and 2069) but they are very tempting
What rules are people using these figures?
I know that Field of Glory: Ren covers this period and a little voice in my head says base them up for FOGR 25mm ie on 60mm wide bases but I think that may be a tad deranged
Peter Pig/RFCM do an English Civil War set - would that be too early?
- I've just spotted the thread on rules so ignore this
Shedman
Beneath the Lily Banners 2 is expected out any time soon. You might try those.
Chad
> Since there is no timetable, which I understand, then I will sit this out until
> the range is substantially filled out. But it will probably be worth the wait.
Agreed. We need at least grenadiers, mounted and dismounted dragoons (both 2 headdress versions), horse (pistol, sword, cuirass, helmet, hat), arty and all that in multiple poses with commands. That's a lot of work. So why don't we make it worth their while? Let's all pre-order min. GBP 100, for LoA figs, with a shipping deadline of - say - Sept 1. Clib will finish the line in time, Leon will finish the codes by June 1, we'll send in our exact orders by June 15 and pay. Then Leon can spin all summer and we can paint all autumn! After that Clib can return to all that other, much less important sculpting.
I'm sure half of our money can be transferred to Clib, as an extra incentive. I'm also sure that this won't really affect Pendraken's bottom line, because this means the LoA line will be complete by summer so many more people will order many more LoA figs from then on.
And for every week that Pendraken misses the shipping deadline, all the pre-orders can add extra packs of any line totaling a web-shop value of GBP 7, for free.
Gentlemen, your wallets please.
Well, I'll be ordering right away. Gives me a chance to work on the bog standard infantry units (musketeer and mixed musket/pike) that make up the bulk of the army.
Quote from: Colors on 09 May 2011, 03:09:25 PM
Agreed. We need at least grenadiers, mounted and dismounted dragoons (both 2 headdress versions), horse (pistol, sword, cuirass, helmet, hat), arty and all that in multiple poses with commands. That's a lot of work. So why don't we make it worth their while? Let's all pre-order min. GBP 100, for LoA figs, with a shipping deadline of - say - Sept 1. Clib will finish the line in time, Leon will finish the codes by June 1, we'll send in our exact orders by June 15 and pay. Then Leon can spin all summer and we can paint all autumn! After that Clib can return to all that other, much less important sculpting.
I'm sure half of our money can be transferred to Clib, as an extra incentive. I'm also sure that this won't really affect Pendraken's bottom line, because this means the LoA line will be complete by summer so many more people will order many more LoA figs from then on.
And for every week that Pendraken misses the shipping deadline, all the pre-orders can add extra packs of any line totaling a web-shop value of GBP 7, for free.
There's some interesting ideas in there! Unfortunately, I think economics are going to get in the way of most of them! Clib has to sculpt to live, and 10mm isn't the most profitable scale for that, so he needs to do work in 28mm to keep the bills paid. We also couldn't afford a bill for that many figures in such a short period of time, not unless we stopped all the other designers for 3 months, which isn't feasible either.
I'm sure Clib would be quite happy with half of all the sales money as well ( :D) but that's also not feasbile in the slightest. We have to sell 100's of packs of each individual code before we break even, so using that theory, we'd be out of pocket for years!
Ah. But suppose 100 LoA fans join forces? And you then add a discount for orders over GBP149 ... then the word spreads, all those hibernating LoA fans wake up, and you have ... 250 * 150 = GBP 37,500. That should get us on top of the Things To Do pile, no?
Hey, you've got to listen to Trump: Think Big! (but stick to 10mm please)
Fellow Gamers, let's join forces and create "The League for The League of Augsburg". We Play in a Grand Style, so our units are at least 100 inf or 50 cav strong. A proper army has at least 15 units. So that GBP 150 shouldn't be a problem.
Colors
What about those gamers who do not field such large units?
Chad
As Leon says I don't get a lot of time for 10mm sculpting, but it pretty much balances with the Pendraken budget anyway. This month I have AWI stuff on the desk, infantry, including the Guard's command, hatmen and flankers. The batch after that will be LoA, grenadiers being first on the list.
28mm work is what pays my bills, or at least that's the idea (at the moment my invoices are unheeded, making me disillusioned with the whole thing).
Hi Clib
As I have mentioned before regarding the French Rev range, I think there is a real possibility to get buy in from gamers on a range.
What is needed is Pendraken to give us the number of packs of figures need to sell in order for the range to break even, this is the break even point for Pendraken, all sales after that will be cost of manufacture plus profit.
I still don’t know why this is not done.
Lets say you would take 500 pounds to do x number of figures in a range. Then Pendraken only has to figure out what that cost is plus manufacture of that many figures, that is the break even point where they have paid for you sculpting, molding, and casting. So say it takes 1000 pounds that is really do able with the quality of the figures that you do in the 10mm scale, take a look at the number of hits for this discussion it is way over most any other topic, this has to say something about the desire to get your figures.
So what would cost be to complete the range that is your sculpting cost, the mold making. Now that number needs to be covered by making x number of packs, with the cost of casting figured on top of that, easy right!
I am willing to put in a preorder with Pendraken for 200 pounds for the rest of the League of Augsburg range and 500 pounds for a complete French Rev range. Now if the boys at Pendraken buy into this (they have not yet) then we could go around the web pedaling the range for preorders. So the people that pledge are charged once the molds are done. So hopefully no delay in paying you clib.
William
> at the moment my invoices are unheeded, making me disillusioned with the whole thing
Don't be. Instead (from personal experience, perhaps obvious, but still):
1- never accept an order if there's still n outstanding, but mention with every order what that n is
2- use a 50-50 or 33-33-33 approach: they pay 50% when you confirm the order, only then do you go to work. With the 1/3 you add a 'project finished' step, eg with photos proving you've done your job, then they pay the 2nd 1/3 and only then do you ship.
3- if your image and reputation allow: always 100% up front. And certainly ALWAYS do this with new customers.
4- often people simply forget to pay, so use early reminders, but never in writing: call or visit
5- sometimes they are in a rough spot and want to pay but cant, so when you do 4 and meet too many uhms and ahs, offer a payment in installments, it will take longer, but you'll get your money
6- these days there are quite a lot of businesses that really only pay when you threaten with legal action, very impolite, but that's life. So find out what the legal procedure is (some countries require a reminder by post before you can start sueing for example), then send the official letter, not yours, but a lawyer's. They charge a small fee for this kind of standard letter, but 9-10 times they work and almost always their fee is included in the letter, so the late-payer pays it (put that in your order agreement)
7- there's always some that start out with the plan do scam you, often these people are likeable but still somehow rub you in the wrong direction. Almost always they're in a hurry and usually they have the legal thing sorted out. To avoid being duped, always do 3 (and even then they know how to get you ... and me ... several times)
If potential clients respond to any of these with a "I won't accept that, do you want to do business or what!?" simply respond that as a personal favor you'd like to comply, but successful experts say personal and business don't mix, so business is business and that means 1 to 7. Don't back down because in at least 30% of such cases you'll lose money.
Never take it personal and always offer cash payment discounts. It goes both ways. I once lost my IT supplier, because he was angry that I always paid too late. It was silly: I never realized it was such a big thing to him, I simply hated to do the paperwork, I would have gladly paid him cash everytime (his office was close to mine). But instead of talking he got angry.
Cheers, keep the good work going. We are lost without you!
Colors
Don't worry, nearly all the precautions you list I take already. Where I have not been paid it is never out of malice, but out of difficult circumstances I believe. Recently I have been very frustrated by it and probably I spoke out of turn because of it.
One thing I must make clear, if it was in any way ambiguous in my post; all the folks at Pendraken have never given me any problems, indeed they are a joy to work with.
I don't get company's that deal that way. If you've got a talented sculptor, who's producing good work, for a range you'd like to expand and grow, why risk p***ing them off by messing about when it comes to paying?
Ah well, there'll always be work in 10mm... :D :-bd
I have painted up figure samples from 8 of the first 10 packs and have posted images here http://s347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Andymacs/60%20-%2010mm%20LOA%20figures%20Pendraken/ (http://s347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Andymacs/60%20-%2010mm%20LOA%20figures%20Pendraken/). They were a real treat to paint. :D
Andy Mac
bloody lovely as ever Andy !!!!! 8)
Great painting Andy
Looking forward to getting some figs to paint at Sheffield :D
Quote from: Frantic on 18 May 2011, 08:31:10 AM
Looking forward to getting some figs to paint at Sheffield :D
Have you pre-ordered them, cos I don't know how if I'll have time to get many of the packs cast up!
No not pre-ordered, if none available I will no doubt get something else :P
Quote from: Frantic on 18 May 2011, 06:04:46 PM
No not pre-ordered, if none available I will no doubt get something else :P
I'll see what I can get cast up then, but you'd better pop by our stand early to make sure there's some left! :D
Missing codes are now available!
And pictures are coming soon!
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Renaissance-c12/NEW-League-of-Augsburg-NEW-sc258/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Renaissance-c12/NEW-League-of-Augsburg-NEW-sc258/)
:-bd
The link doesn't work Leon, possibly due to the thumbs up smiley?
Quote from: Steve J on 15 June 2011, 06:51:32 PM
The link doesn't work Leon, possibly due to the thumbs up smiley?
Bah, stupid html tags...! All fixed now. 8)
Hi Leon,
If you get the samples off to me I will paint them up to match the other 8 packs.
All the best
Quote from: andymac on 16 June 2011, 02:02:35 PM
Hi Leon,
If you get the samples off to me I will paint them up to match the other 8 packs.
All the best
Will do, definitely! The others have all been photo'd for the website and should be making an appearance very soon.
8)
Greetings
I know Clib doesn't have a specific list or schedule but is there any expectation of doing matchlock armed figures with a cartridge box rather than 'apostles' given the change over that seems to have been occurring from the 1680s in this regard? The current figures seem great from my limited reading for the early period but less so for the later (of course somebody may tell me I'm completely wrong :) ).
Regards
Edward
Any news on new releases for this from Clib?
Thanks
William
Any realease on the horizon for the League of Augsburg rang ?
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 29 July 2011, 07:08:15 AM
Any realease on the horizon for the League of Augsburg rang ?
William
Nothing as yet, Clib's working on some other things at the moment. The next lot of stuff heading our way will be the grenadiers, and I think (?) the cavalry.
ooo horsies good-o!! mind you i've got 9 battalions of infantry to get through first (assuming the postie arrives soon!!)
Quote from: goat major on 29 July 2011, 04:27:01 PM
ooo horsies good-o!! mind you i've got 9 battalions of infantry to get through first (assuming the postie arrives soon!!)
It's getting near the top of my pile now, I'd hope to get it done either tomorrow or Monday for you. (It could have been tonight, but Juninho has taken priority... ;) )
It would be great if Clib would give us some firing figures with muskets and firelocks. That would allow those of us looking for the firing figures to start painting again.
William
Quote from: Leon on 29 July 2011, 04:38:43 PM
It's getting near the top of my pile now, I'd hope to get it done either tomorrow or Monday for you. (It could have been tonight, but Juninho has taken priority... ;) )
Cheers Leon - the little fella gets priority natch ! :)
Quote from: goat major on 01 August 2011, 06:54:16 PM
Cheers Leon - the little fella gets priority natch ! :)
It was a quality night, apart from the result. 20,000 fans turned up and the atmosphere was fantastic. I've got some video's of it on my phone, but I need someone with more tech-y knowhow to get them uploaded somewhere! I tried emailing them, but the sound doesn't come through... :(
Quote from: Wkeyser on 01 August 2011, 06:40:11 PM
It would be great if Clib would give us some firing figures with muskets and firelocks. That would allow those of us looking for the firing figures to start painting again.
William
Yes firing figures are being done. No ETA at this point though.
I hope we see some more Leaugue of Augsburg this time around! Those sample figures are getting lonley waiting for firing, Grenadiers and Cavalry!
William
I am a spammer, I have no life. :'(
The new league gets some funky footwear. :o I hope painting them these colours will be optional though.
Oh, and just in case you're wondering, the text is in Dutch, but I can't make heads or tails of it either. Just gobbledigook with a lot of random words. But I do wonder what an armpit ally would be...
No definatly complsory. What do these idiots think they are going to achive ?
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 20 September 2011, 09:00:35 AMWhat do these idiots think they are going to achive ?
Aggravating rupture of spleen by armpit ally an accomplishment of unnecessary action pressure of blood increase to reverse the peristaltic motion?
Actually, I think it's Nik in disguise. The use of 'top-notch' gives it all away. :D
I suspect their are two aims
1) to generate inbound links to their websites which are associated with key words, but are part of a larger block of text, this helps with were your site shows on google results
2) (and far less important) general spam, if you send enough messages someone will click the links.
Sounds like PD need to maybe have a moderator approval on first post?
I've fixed it for him, and kicked him off the Forum!
Quote from: fred12df on 20 September 2011, 04:12:51 PM
Sounds like PD need to maybe have a moderator approval on first post?
Yeah, we've discussed it a few times, my concern would be that it puts people off if they have to wait for authorisation before they can post?
maybe allow your team of mods to approve posts - then you have a fair chance of someone seeing a new post fairly quickly.
Quote from: fred12df on 20 September 2011, 05:31:04 PM
maybe allow your team of mods to approve posts - then you have a fair chance of someone seeing a new post fairly quickly.
I'll check with Matt on what can and can't be done on the Forum admin. Most of the spammers get caught out, I go through any new members every day or two, and clear out any dodgy ones. Sometimes they register and then come back at a later date to do their spamming, but they don't usually get very far, we tend to catch them pretty quickly.
Quote from: OldenBUA on 20 September 2011, 09:23:14 AM
Actually, I think it's Nik in disguise. The use of 'top-notch' gives it all away. :D
Damn...rumbled... ;D
This range looks lovely and I am looking forward to seeing it expanded as the old LoA range is phased out. I recently picked up a cheap copy of FoG Duty and Glory, primarily to expand my options for my TYW Swedes/Germand and 'Commonwealth' Polish but really like the look of some of the other army lists in the books such as the Jacobite Irish, Scots, Restoration British etc.
Sadly I don't know a lot about the period and the renaissance ranges are quite confusing where there are no pics
So...... my questions are:
1. is the LoA new range generic enough to represent the major nations such as Louis XIV French, Restoration British, Danish. Anglo-Danish, Hapsburg Austrians etc?
2. Will the OLD LoA range be repaced in entirety by the new range
3. Will Scots Jacobites be added to the new range
PLEASE EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE OF THE PERIOD :-[
i dont really know what i'm doing either. But the figures are pretty generic and the ones released so far should be good for the nations you suggest.
I've got FOGR and the Duty or Glory supplement but wasnt entirely sure that the FOG mechanisms would capture the flavour of this period - at a time when the pikey stuff is really declining quite dramatically. I've opted for Beneath the Lily Banners v2 which looks good.... but i must admit i havent played it yet. At current rate of painting thats 2-3 years away. Plenty of time for Clib to get some cavalry done :)
I went to Derby and Bought a Turkish Army and three packs of dice. It's the small things that leave a customer disapointed.
For instance:-
In Slingshot there is a list of traders who will give Society of Ancients members a discount.
Some say you have to buy £25 worth of figures (25mm.) to qualify. Others give a 10% discount on whatever.
As it appears, so does Pendraken.
However I was told I had to spend £45.
After an increase of 15% (ok 2% was vat) I had to buy another army to qualify.
I would have bought new 1815 Napoleonics. I wanted to try an experiment with some Prussians. but nothing smaller than armies.
However I ended up buying £150 of different DBA size 10mm armies.
No discount but, made up for in service.
Quote from: Dragoon on 03 October 2011, 01:38:20 PM
I went to Derby and Bought a Turkish Army and three packs of dice. It's the small things that leave a customer disapointed.
For instance:-
In Slingshot there is a list of traders who will give Society of Ancients members a discount.
Some say you have to buy £25 worth of figures (25mm.) to qualify. Others give a 10% discount on whatever.
As it appears, so does Pendraken.
However I was told I had to spend £45.
After an increase of 15% (ok 2% was vat) I had to buy another army to qualify.
I would have bought new 1815 Napoleonics. I wanted to try an experiment with some Prussians. but nothing smaller than armies.
However I ended up buying £150 of different DBA size 10mm armies.
No discount but, made up for in service.
Who was it you dealt with at the show? £45 seems like an odd number for one of us to quote, as we normally apply the discount to any SoA member without any hassle at all?
I compared new LoA with WSS.
Details here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3902.0
Quote from: Leon on 04 October 2011, 04:33:49 AM
Who was it you dealt with at the show? £45 seems like an odd number for one of us to quote, as we normally apply the discount to any SoA member without any hassle at all?
It was the MD. that's why I didn't qery it.
BTW I spent my cash with another company who went to the trouble to show painted figures of every pack he sold.
Not a bad lesson in marketing!
I was annoyed and disapointed.
Quote from: Dragoon on 04 October 2011, 08:59:48 AM
It was the MD. that's why I didn't qery it.
BTW I spent my cash with another company who went to the trouble to show painted figures of every pack he sold.
Not a bad lesson in marketing!
This is quite confusing now. Who's the MD? There were 3 of us at the show, so if I can find out who you dealt with, I can find out what's happened. There was me (the younger one), Dave (the tall dark haired one), and Cliff (tall, grey, bit of a beard).
The photo's on the website is a separate issue.
To update on this, it was Dave you spoke to at the show. It looks like there's been a mistake made on the SoA website (and subsequently the magazine), as the agreed discounting was only applicable on orders over £50, which is the same deal we offer to Lance & Longbow, Pike & Shotte, etc. I've checked back through the emails at this end, and it was the Editor of the magazine who we spoke to, back in January 2010.
So, when you came to the stand, Dave didn't know about the error on the website, and said that the goods had to be over £50.
Apologies for the confusion, I'll pop an email through to the SoA guy, and ask him to amend the website.
A quick further update, I've contacted the SoA and they've updated the website now.
Well any hope of filling out this range on the horizon, how about a christmas present to all of those waiting for enought figures to game this range?
Willliam
Any news would be highly appreciated.
I bought "Beneath the Lily Banners" at CRISIS yesterday, so I need/want some men on horses and men with big guns :)
Keep `em coming!
We'll hopefully have some more news for you soon, but Clib's been extremely busy recently.
Thanks for the quick update.
Guess I will make me a nice gift for christmas and start with the infantry. Barry Hilton said that he is planning to do some printed flags for the NYW with you guys. Any news on that?
Quote from: Derbo on 07 November 2011, 09:00:31 PM
Barry Hilton said that he is planning to do some printed flags for the NYW with you guys. Any news on that?
We've chatted about it, as it would save us getting them done from scratch, but we've not got into the details yet. I'll have to remember to ask next time I speak with him.
Any update on cavalry?
Quote from: Sandinista on 11 December 2011, 10:08:27 PM
Any update on cavalry?
second that. some news on the LoA range would be the ultimate christmas present to me :-/
For a very short moment i even thought of using the 28mm LoA range.. but hey, good things come to those who wait...i guess.
Some upcoming LoA additions;
Matchlock firing line
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/Picture012.jpg)
Flintlock firing line
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/Picture011.jpg)
Grenadiers advancing, fur hats
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/Picture013.jpg)
Scythe men.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/Picture009.jpg)
Wow - very nicely done clib 8)
QuoteScythe men.
Yeah ...
We need more scythemen, clubmen, swordmen, fishermen ...
Any news about cavalry or artillery ... ? :(
LOVELY stuff clibby !
Do I notice the use of a mix of yellow (from green stuff) and black (from procreate) on parts of some of the figures ?
Cheers - Phil.
Really very very nice 8). These wold fit in nicely for some LotHS games :). A future project of course.
My order is ready ;) ;)
Ok any idea when these will be in little baggies ready to be sent to my painting table!!!!
Thanks Clib they look as fantastic as the first release, your sculpting is fantastic!
William
Great news!
Can't wait to get myhands on those.
one small additon (is there a way to edit posts in this forum?can't find the button :-[): the muskets look quite short, almost like carabines. I've been to the Bavarian Army Museum last week and the muskets used in the great turkish wars (which were approximately at the same time as the War of the LoA) were considerably longer.
Hey Everybody
Could anybody tell me any ORBAT about this period and the composition of the regiments????
;)
Thanks in advance
Best Regards
QuoteCould anybody tell me any ORBAT about this period
AUGHRIM would be good example.
I'll give below the general numbers of all arms with indication which Pendraken packs use to get them.
N.B. Infantry firearms were mixed at this era, so "mainly matchlocks" means that the majority of musketeers used matchlocks, but men armed with flintlocks could also be part of the regiment.
JacobitescommandC-in-C: marquees St Ruhe, generals: Sheldon, Luttrell, Dorrington, Hamilton, Tessé, Sarsfield (figures unavailable)
infantry 14 000 foot in 29 battalions including 2 of Guards
all infantry battalions composed mainly of matchlockmen (LOA 5 & 6) and unarmoured pikemen (LOA 1 & 4) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
mounted troops6 000 men divided into:
2 500 horse incl 2 troops of Life Guards (figures unavailable)
3 500 dragoons (figures unavailable) that can fight dismounted (figures unavailable)
artillery9 light guns (figures unavailable)
WilliamitescommandC-in-C: gen Ginkel, generals: de la Forest, Tettau, Nassau-Ouwerkerk, Mackay, Tollemache, Ruvigny, Gravenmoer (figures unavailable)
infantry 14 000 foot in 27 battalions of following nationalities:
17 English battalions composed mainly of matchlockmen (LOA 5 & 6) and unarmoured pikemen (LOA 1 & 4) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
2 Dutch battalions composed of flintlockmen (LOA 7 & 8 ) and unarmoured pikemen (LOA 1 & 4) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
5 Danish battalions composed of flintlockmen (LOA 7 & 8 ) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
3 Huguenot battalions composed mainly of matchlockmen (LOA 5 & 6) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
mounted troops6 000 men divided into:
4 000 English, Dutch and Danish horse (figures unavailable)
2 000 English and Dutch dragoons (figures unavailable) that can fight dismounted (figures unavailable)
artillery30 field guns (figures unavailable)
Hope this helps.
Well i guess the ragtag bunch of scythemen is meant to be used for the Williamite Wars in Ireland.
Patience is the order of the day... i mean there's not even cavalry available for Clibs far more advanced 28mm LoA range (where the length of the muskets is correct..strange enough; maybe that's because of the 10mm moulding process). Anyways, sooner or later we'll have a range as awesome as the AWI stuff 8)
Quote from: J.S. on 12 January 2012, 09:48:04 AM
Well i guess the ragtag bunch of scythemen is meant to be used for the Williamite Wars in Ireland.
I haven't noticed the presence of scythemen on any major battlefield of this war. But I'm not an expert though.
Quote from: J.S. on 12 January 2012, 09:48:04 AM
Patience is the order of the day... i mean there's not even cavalry available for Clibs far more advanced 28mm LoA range
There's a lot 28mm LoA cavalry from other manufacturers to fill the gap.
Quote from: J.S. on 12 January 2012, 09:48:04 AM
Anyways, sooner or later we'll have a range as awesome as the AWI stuff 8)
Do you mean this AWI stuff, that doesn't include any of Partiot Dragoons nor mounted Legions, essential for
every battle fought in the South after 1779 ... ?
I think the scythes are for battles like the Monmouth rebellion and such like.
I have plenty of uses for them.
Scythes and other farm implements are de rigeur in Sedgemoor (even now ;) :D)
theyre quite common in the 41st millennium too. apparently.
Quote from: goat major on 12 January 2012, 12:04:44 PM
theyre quite common in the 41st millennium too. apparently.
;D
OK. I can agree, that scythemen are suitable for Sedgemoor battle.
As I'm not very interested to Monmouth's rebellion, I had to refer the Wikipedia for description of action:
There was a delay while the rhine was crossed and the first men across startled a royalist patrol. A shot was fired and a horseman from the patrol galloped off to report to Feversham. Lord Grey of Warke led the rebel cavalry forward and they were engaged by the King's Regiment of Horse which alerted the rest of the royalist forces. The superior training of the regular army and their horses routed the rebel forces by outflanking them.
Augh ! It seems that again, the cavalry played the decisive role !
Cavalry, that is currently unavailable .... :'(
Well, seems like the msytery has been solved
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hm-oP3NtnGc/TaArDY9nNQI/AAAAAAAAGgA/1KsoeKCLhcY/s400/JacksonCavalryCharge.jpg)
(http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/B/B002/B002167.jpg)
Maybe not the most essential troops of the period but they were there.
QuoteDo you mean this AWI stuff, that doesn't include any of Partiot Dragoons nor mounted Legions, essential for every battle fought in the South after 1779 ... ?
I think its no problem to make a simple painting conversion here..
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9549/baylors.jpg)
It's seldom possible to satisfy everyone.. If the guys with the scythes hadn't been made, there'd surely be someone complaining that it's absolutely impossible to model battle xyz of theatre zyx and therefore the whole LoA league is useless.
Maybe the Pendraken guys just learned their lesson form not having released tarletoned cavalry in the first or second AWI wave :-\
QuoteIt's seldom possible to satisfy everyone.. If the guys with the scythes hadn't been made, there'd surely be someone complaining that it's absolutely impossible to model battle xyz of theatre zyx and therefore the whole LoA league is useless.
I agree. Totally.
....
But for the moment, without cavalry, it's absolutely impossible to model
any battle.
Scythe men are essential troop types for anyone gaming either the Monmouth Rebellion or the Irish War, which is likely for many gamers.
Cavalry is obviously essential, but I can't bring all the figures necessary to the range at the flick of a switch, especially when producing so much variation in individual packs. A good range takes time to build, the alternative would be (as stated by Leon before) to keep everything under wraps until its all finished. There have been hitches with the cavalry dollies which have held up the AWI and LoA cavalry, but we nearly have those sorted out now.
I don't get a lot of time to work on 10mm, currently 28mm LoA cavalry are taking up most of my work hours.
On the musket length; as with the AWI the muskets look short as they have to be much thicker than in scale thickness would be to cast in 10mm, but the "scale" length is retained (roughly from the ground to the shoulder of a man). If made any longer they'd be approaching the man's height. The exaggerations like larger than scale hands also conspire to make the muskets look small.
Thanks for the update Clib ! The new figures look great btw
Quote from: clibinarium on 12 January 2012, 11:06:28 PM
On the musket length; as with the AWI the muskets look short as they have to be much thicker than in scale thickness would be to cast in 10mm, but the "scale" length is retained (roughly from the ground to the shoulder of a man). If made any longer they'd be approaching the man's height. The exaggerations like larger than scale hands also conspire to make the muskets look small.
As Clibby says.....I'm afraid there just
has to be some sort of compromise at this scale, so the little chaps can be moulded and cast successfully......The other fact to consider is that if it
were possible to get them out of the mould, the weapons (whether spears/javelins/polearms or muskets/rifles/SLRs would be be so incredibly fragile; that these parts of the figures would get broken with alarming regularity.
If we made as true a scale model as possible, just imagine how thin many of them would be be just at the ankles....Snap ! ;)
It would obviously be possible (though pretty damn fiddly) to convert the weapons using finer brass rod than has to be used on the master figures.....Personally, I think doing that on large numbers of models would be soul destroying....It would drive me totally spare.... ;D ;D ;D....But it gives me an idea for just a
single figure in the painting comp. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Thanks a lot Maciek :)
But Im interesting in ORBATS about french and british.
About your comments AWI totally agree that the range is not over and that our friend Leon must work a little bit more. ;D
Best Regards and please anybody could give us these ORBATS?? :'(
Peritas
Try this link.
http://www.digam.net/?str=120
You have to do a little searching and from memory the information is contained on maps in some cases.
Chad
Peritas
When you reach the link, you will see a search field on the left hand side marked 'Suchen'. Type in Landen for example and it will go to a page that contains a lot of 1692-3 info. maps, some OOBs, etc.
Chad
... or let Maciek to search it for you :)
Schlachtordnung der Franzosen gegen die Alliierten bei Steenkerke in Brabant,
http://www.digam.net/image.php?file=dokumente/5740/1.jpg&b=1000
Schlachtordnung der Alliierten gegen die Franzosen bei Steenkerke in Brabant
http://www.digam.net/image.php?file=dokumente/5740/1.jpg&b=1000
Thanks a lot Chad I ll try it
Best regards
Great link! Try out "Pfälzischer Erbfolgekrieg" (that's the German name for the War of the League of Augsburg) and you'll find quite a lot of orbats (="Schlachtordnung" in German)
Quote from: maciek on 13 January 2012, 01:10:47 PM
... or let Maciek to search it for you :)
He's good like that ;) Thank you my friend :)
Some Grenadiers in cloth caps.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/Picture015-1.jpg)
The new figures shown will be heading off to Pendraken HQ in the next few days.
Oh wow!
Once again beautifully done Clib 8).
Great miniatures, that's what I've been waiting for! :)
Are we going to have Marching and Advancing poses?
Chad
Quote from: Chad on 18 January 2012, 09:33:03 AM
Are we going to have Marching and Advancing poses?
One can easily get advancing grenadiers in cloth cap - doing the head swap with grenadiers in bearskins.
... and save Clib's precious time for cavalry.
Maciek
Great idea for those of us who feel confident to do things like that! :-\
Personally I don't, so I will wait in expectation. :D
Chad
I'll probably convert the marching flintlock men into grenadiers once some cavalry are done.
What do you mean by "advancing"?
Muskets pointed to the front as opposed to over the shoulder
Chad
Quote from: clibinarium on 19 January 2012, 12:34:55 PM
... once some cavalry are done.
:-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd
>:<
As a long time aficianado of the 1670-90s these minis are superb. I do wish the latest Grenadiers were more of a storming party - carrying fascines, lighting and throwing grenades etc.
Cheers
Mark
Are there any huge authenticity issues with using these LOA pikemen/matchlock figures for the English Civil War?
Quote from: Jagger on 07 February 2012, 04:02:31 PM
Are there any huge authenticity issues with using these LOA pikemen/matchlock figures for the English Civil War?
Coats are much too long and cuffs too wide IMO.
Now that you point it out, I have to agree. I don't think they would pass muster as ECW.
The old ECW range isnt that bad you know, take a look at them on Nik Harwoods pages.
Quote from: GordonY on 09 February 2012, 08:21:42 AM
The old ECW range isnt that bad you know, take a look at them on Nik Harwoods pages.
Thanks Gordon - I like 'em too - mine are in action here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,389.0.html
The latest batch of LoA has arrived at Pendraken HQ, so we'll be getting these moulded up asap!
8)
Any cavalry amongst them?
Nope, it's the firing and grenadier figures pictured a couple of pages back in this thread, with the scythemen. I've got April's releases roughly planned out already, but I'll see if we can sneak these in as well.
Hi Leon
That is great, will they be in time for Salute preordres?
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 13 March 2012, 08:21:36 AM
Hi Leon
That is great, will they be in time for Salute preordres?
William
Hopefully, I'll let everyone know as soon as I can.
A preview of some more figures on the way. These pics are way too big, but anyway;
Dismounted French Dragoons in cloth caps
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/LoAIII.jpg)
Artillerists
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/LoAIII1.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/LoAIII2.jpg)
Kneeling Flintlock and Matchlock musketeers
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/LoAIII3.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/LoAIII4.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/LoAIII5.jpg)
Superb clib, superb =D>
Wow ;)
Just wow! Really... wow!
Yesss ....
Simply stunning
These are outstanding. But I am not buying into this until there are horses, sorry if that makes me a bad man...
Stunning work Clib, simply stunning! These may tip me into playing LoA with the new Maurice rules as they are so nice 8).
Quote from: Sandinista on 29 March 2012, 12:14:40 AM
These are outstanding. But I am not buying into this until there are horses, sorry if that makes me a bad man...
:-bd
so we are two
It would be great to have horses soon so that complete forces can be bought. Mind you probably better for my lead pile if they were a while off yet ;).
Pshaw horses! Now I am downsizing to the smaller Clibs I will be getting these for my ULB armies tout suite.
:)
These look really good - with some cavalry it will be hard to resist. Have the previous set of greens made it into production yet?
Might be another reason to get the new Pike and Shotte rules from Warlord.
Quote from: fred 12df on 29 March 2012, 05:31:21 PM
Might be another reason to get the new Pike and Shotte rules from Warlord.
Maurice look to be a better bet rules wise.
Quote from: fred 12df on 29 March 2012, 05:31:21 PM
These look really good - with some cavalry it will be hard to resist. Have the previous set of greens made it into production yet?
Not yet, with the upcoming move, we're behind on a lot of the moulding. I'm going to try and get them done in time for Salute though.
stunnig work :-bd
Wonderful poses and animation - excellent sculpting Clib, excellent
Bob
Awesome!
I shall get some for Maurice and BTLB :)
Looking very good. I've held off buying any figures until the cavalry are available, hopefully they will be out this year.
They are fantastic, however, will wait until line is finished, Cav, Arty and command.
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 03 April 2012, 05:19:09 PM
They are fantastic, however, will wait until line is finished, Cav, Arty and command.
William
Same here - I always buy everything I need for opposing armies (as a mainly solo gamer) & then prep, base and paint them all at once...so as soon as clib's sorted this range I'll be off onto the Battle of Sedgemoor 8)
Well so much for waiting, as I played with my 5mm Heroics and Ross figures for Marlbourgh, and used Captain General from the Pike and shot society, and really liked the play. So now I am dying to get more League of Augsberg, so the firing, grenadiers and Dragoons are just what I want to start painting up armies I will wait for the Cav patiently well ok not so patiently.
However, now I have a question for Leon, I realize you just moved and I am not pressing at all and I understand you need to do the move in such a way that it works for you, but do you foresee that the firing, grenadiers and or Dragoons will be ready for Salute. I have a friend going and he will pick up for me so would love to make an order. Again I realize that you are moving so if you don’t make it for Salute that is just they way it is.
Thanks
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 10 April 2012, 08:38:14 AM
However, now I have a question for Leon, I realize you just moved and I am not pressing at all and I understand you need to do the move in such a way that it works for you, but do you foresee that the firing, grenadiers and or Dragoons will be ready for Salute. I have a friend going and he will pick up for me so would love to make an order. Again I realize that you are moving so if you don’t make it for Salute that is just they way it is.
I've had a couple of people ask the same question, but we're so busy I couldn't guarantee anything. What I've said to the other guys, is if we get them done in time, I'll cast up a load of them and bring them along, and it'll be first come, first served basically. If anything changes on that, I'll let everyone know asap.
Thanks Leon fair enough.
William
Hi Leon
I just recived some of the new firing figures and they are fantastic, a freind of mine Michael Hoyer picked them up for me and since you did not have all the range at Salute he said that you would send the rest to him. Great, I can not wait until the cavalry arrive, I keep going to the Leuage of Augsburg forum and looking at the painted figures for inspiration.
Will be using the Captain General from the Pike and Shot Society. The rules have a very intresting command system with orders having to be issued and activated for wings and Brigades. The combat is really intersting in that you do not remove casualites which can sometimes be a bit strange but they have managed it rather well. The differance between the deeper French formations vrs the more liniear Dutch/allied formations is well captured and the differance in "combat ablitiy" of the armies is quite well represented.
Thanks again for a great range.
William
The first French battlion
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2654/5745560982_04b79b7b0c.jpg)]
The first Dutch battlion
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Lovely! I wait by the letterbox every morning for a little parcel.... ;)
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 26 April 2012, 08:29:24 AM
Lovely! I wait by the letterbox every morning for a little parcel.... ;)
There should have been a satisfying thunk today hopefully?! :D
Quote from: Leon on 26 April 2012, 02:15:28 PM
There should have been a satisfying thunk today hopefully?! :D
Clairvoyant! Yee Haa! :)
Is there an intention to produce a French Grenadier? Most information I have/have seen shows them with a ribbon on the right shoulder to signify them as grenadiers. Same applies to garde francaise.
Chad
Looking good...
;D
These are so good it is a modern version of the Chinese water torture! But I will resist until those cavalry and artillery come out - oh, and some generals would be nice!
Mollinary
Any timescale on the cavalry yet?
Not yet.
Ok just checking to keep my hope alive!
Any project time on new figures in this line!
William
The artillery will be making an appearance in the September releases I reckon, so about 6-7 weeks away? We've got the crews here already, so we just need to get the guns sorted.
8)
Bravo!
Great news, so of course that must mean that the cavalry will show up in October...... wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean wink wink
William
I've just received a good variety of these and the figures look amazing, all sorts of detail.
I also got a few AWI casualty figures who quite amazingly have their own hat sprues! How cool!
Do mean you have some Cavalry????
If so could you post some pictures???
William
Fred does not mean that I assure you. Not yet.
Damn I almost had a heart attack ;)
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 04 August 2012, 08:23:56 PM
Do mean you have some Cavalry????
No, no cavalry.
I hadn't really read the last few posts on the thread, I was just adding a comment about the quality of the figures on the thread with the photos of the new releases.
Quote from: clibinarium on 04 August 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Not yet.
But the horsies are for the coming fall, right?
Cheers,
Aart (clinging to every straw)
Hello. I am new to the forum, but thought I would join, as I have been very impressed with Clib's work in both the AWI lilne and LoA line. About the latter, I have not heard anything new for over a month, and just like any other fan of this 10mm range, was wondering if the artillery is going to show up any time soon (and the cavalry?)
William
Welcome to the forum William !
I think there's only one person that can answer your question.....And he's usually pretty quick !
Cheers - Phil.
An update would be much appreciated!
Finaly found a guy who is interested in this period too, but need shiny toys to catch him...
I'm sure Leon will give an update asap.....
Wonder if he's got internet probs at the moment ? :-\
I trust he's not poorly. Unlike him to be AWOL for any length of time...Or have I missed a message ?
Anyone know ?
Cheers - Phil.
I'm hoping to have the artillery done sooner rather than later, as the crew figures are already here, we just need to check on the guns themselves. On the cavalry, Clib's done the dollies, so we're waiting to get those at Pendraken HQ for moulding, and then he can crack on with a load of mounted chaps.
8)
champion
awaiting on the horse before hitting the credit cards to refight the Williamite Wars
I hope there will be some 'personality figures' eg William himself, Sarsfield as a hero for the Jacobites and perhaps a sulking or running (well galloping) away James
bring on the Wild Geese
Has anyone tried this era with Maurice yet ?
I was thinking Black Powder (which i have) or maybe the Underneath the Lily Banners
recommendations welcome
cheers
ps thats after painting the Danes and Holsteiners with friends first mind
I have been routinely checking upon Clib's "other" LoA project (a very nice range in itself, I might add, not 10mm mind you) and that line seems to be mostly completed(?) I just thought he might have some extra time to work on the LoA 10mm stuff.
William
John
We are going to use Beneath the Lily Banners.
Chad
The dollies need for cavalry for the LoA and AWI should hopefully be off to HQ this week. As William says I've been tied up with the 28mm LoA range I am doing; I'm just finishing up 60 cavalry troopers, so I am not adverse to LoA cavalry by any means.
We'll see about LoA personalities in due course, though whether James is advancing or retreating will be entirely dependent on which direction you chose to face him in.
Quote from: clibinarium on 18 September 2012, 11:55:07 PM
The dollies need for cavalry for the LoA and AWI should hopefully be off to HQ this week. As William says I've been tied up with the 28mm LoA range I am doing; I'm just finishing up 60 cavalry troopers, so I am not adverse to LoA cavalry by any means.
Excellent 8)
Quote from: clibinarium on 18 September 2012, 11:55:07 PM
We'll see about LoA personalities in due course, though whether James is advancing or retreating will be entirely dependent on which direction you chose to face him in.
;D :D ;D
Are there such things as "mid-month releases", or must we hope until All Saint's Day?
William
There won't be anything this month, the only mid-month release I've got planned is the Falkland's expansion, which should be online just after Derby hopefully.
Sorry I'm a bit behind on the cavalry stuff, but I wasn't very well last week, and was confined to bed from Saturday afternoon to this morning. I'm still not 100 percent, but I'll get back on track as soon as possible.
Hi Clib
I hope you are better! Was wondering if we might see the cavalry and artillery for Christmas?
Thanks William
Much better thanks. I am heavily engaged with AWI cavarly at the moment, but I'll do my best to get at least one basic pack plus command into the December release window.
Leon might be able to better comment on the artillery, the crews are all done.
Quote from: clibinarium on 03 November 2012, 07:43:15 PM
I am heavily engaged with AWI cavarly at the moment
>:< :x :-c <:-P =D> :-bd
Quote from: goat major on 03 November 2012, 07:48:01 PM
>:< :x :-c <:-P =D> :-bd
God, what's going to happen when he sees the other thread?
Quote from: clibinarium on 03 November 2012, 07:43:15 PM
Much better thanks. I am heavily engaged with AWI cavarly at the moment, but I'll do my best to get at least one basic pack plus command into the December release window.
=D>
Clib, please do LoA cavalry riding the horses from new AWI range !!!!! They are beautifull !!
Quote from: clibinarium on 03 November 2012, 07:43:15 PM
Leon might be able to better comment on the artillery, the crews are all done.
The artillery are one of those little jobs I keep putting off. We need to check the Marlburian/SYW pieces to make sure they're OK with the LoA range, and then we can get them straight into the releases.
Yes absolutely, the same horses will be used. A lot of effort was put into getting the horse and rider dollies just right (hence the delays in getting a few minor issues ironed out). These horses will be used in any horse and musket project I do from now on.
I'm glad you like them.
Quote from: clibinarium on 05 November 2012, 11:05:04 PM
Yes absolutely, the same horses will be used. A lot of effort was put into getting the horse and rider dollies just right (hence the delays in getting a few minor issues ironed out). These horses will be used in any horse and musket project I do from now on.
:-bd
Quote from: clibinarium on 05 November 2012, 11:05:04 PM
Yes absolutely, the same horses will be used. A lot of effort was put into getting the horse and rider dollies just right (hence the delays in getting a few minor issues ironed out). These horses will be used in any horse and musket project I do from now on.
So one question must be asked -
what is the size of new horses ?
AWI figures used to be a bit bigger and much more robust than usual Pendraken product. New LoA is generally compatible with old WSS.
Which line the new dollies are closer ?
The new horses are pretty big, though they ought to be for this type of cavalry
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/cavalry.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/cavalry2.jpg)
It does look like I'll need to do a special set of small horses for the dragoons as well
Quote from: clibinarium on 07 November 2012, 01:24:23 PM
It does look like I'll need to do a special set of small horses for the dragoons as well
That is a great idea. It is one of my pet gripes that manufacturers generally put their cossacks on the same size horses as cuirassiers.
Apart from height there is also a difference in the weight/girth/bulk of the heavier horse.
A nice artical on war horses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_horse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_horse)
:)
Hi Clib, where did you get your excellent cavalry illustrations from? Are they available in published form?
Quote from: clibinarium on 07 November 2012, 01:24:23 PM
The new horses are pretty big, though they ought to be for this type of cavalry
Does it mean that LoA riders will be smaller than AWI and similar in size to LoA infantrymen ?
Quote from: clibinarium on 07 November 2012, 01:24:23 PM
It does look like I'll need to do a special set of small horses for the dragoons as well
:( I'm afraid that means we will wait for dragoons till 2014 ...
Quote from: Hertsblue on 08 November 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Hi Clib, where did you get your excellent cavalry illustrations from? Are they available in published form?
The ilustrations are from R. Hall's "French cavalry of Louis XIV" CD.
Last theories state that Medieval Steeds weren't that massives.
Not as draught horses like Percheron at least but more like our modern race horses.
Think it might go that far back - the Baccus site used to have 18th century uniform data.
IanS
Robert Hall STANDARDS & UNIFORMS OF FRENCH CAVALRY 1688-1714 available on CD for a reasonable price, hardcopy edition available too but a bit pricey from the Pike and Shot society.
Quote from: maciek on 08 November 2012, 11:00:06 AM
The ilustrations are from R. Hall's "French cavalry of Louis XIV" CD.
Quote from: clibinarium on 08 November 2012, 01:09:08 PM
Robert Hall STANDARDS & UNIFORMS OF FRENCH CAVALRY 1688-1714 available on CD for a reasonable price, hardcopy edition available too but a bit pricey from the Pike and Shot society.
Cheers, guys. Much obliged.
Phew! That picture does make the difference clear, doesn't it?
Hi Clib
Great to see the differance in horse size, i have allways want some one to do this for Napoleonic horses. I know that as go get into a campaing the size differance might not have been so great but it was the horse buyers where trying to acheave.
The only one I can remember off the top of my head is the old AB line of 15mm Nappys they had heavy and light horses. Great stuff.
Of course that means that you will have the horses ready for the French Rev range ;)
Look forward to seeing the greens.
William
Anyone care to check my maths on the piccy above ?
I make it that the man standing next to the horse is around 5 foot 8 inches tall.
The large horse is 16 hands (64 inches) to its whithers. (Decent size for a larger horse.)
The small horse is 12.1 hands (49.2 inches) to its whithers. (This is really small.)
I'm only asking...as, as far as I'm aware, to keep some sort of consistency in the size of our (human) figures, we base the height of all of the soldiers we make at 6 foot tall ?
Now...A 6 foot man sitting on the back of a 16 hands tall horse 'looks right'.
A 6 foot man sitting on the back of a 12.1 hands pony would 'dwarf it.'
Don't get me wrong !
I'm certainly NOT disputing the historical accuracy of the picture above.....As far as I'm aware, in many cases throughout history small/very small ponies have been the 'cavalry of choice'...presumably because that was all that was available !
What bothers me is that if Clib DOES make the ponies at this 'correct' size, Leon's going to get oodles of complaints from people who aren't aware of the accuracy of the ponies....They'd rather have models on the table that 'look consistent' and 'right'...Rather than a historically accurate depiction that 'looks wrong'.
Just my two pees worth....Hope the above makes some sort of sense Guys !
Be interesting to see the feedback !
If necessary...I'll take some pics of me later, (6 foot when I stand up straight) against some of the better half's gee-gees to show you what I mean.
Cheers - Phil. ;)
Maths sound right, though I haven't checked them. Hall specifically states in his text that dragoon horses were about 12 hands (though they adopt larger horses as the 18th century goes on), in this period its more about moving the dragoons around than engaging with enemy cavalry.
I suspect that smaller recruits made their way into the dragoons, so you probably wouldn't get many six footers among them. I can't recall the average height of a 18th century Frenchman, but it was a lot less than six feet. Its only about a head's worth of difference at maximum.
When it comes to 10mm I worry more about the figure compared to other 10mm figures than their scale height. (though I did pitch my 28mm men at about 5'8'' in scale as far as I can recall.)
So the dragoon horses will be smaller, maybe not 12 hands but not far off, the riders something in the 5' to 5'5'' range, or whatever "looks" right to me. That's the real test actually; whether it looks right to me. Pendraken have pretty much always let me use my best judgement, and ,my own specifications.
As for people complaining about smaller horses not being right, well that's not the sort of complaint I'd long entertain. Though I understand its Dave and Leon who have to do the entertaining rather than me, so its easier for me to say than for them to do. Anyway maybe it will act as a reminder to the customer; "don't throw these guys against those cuirassiers across the way" :)
I' say men were more 5 feet 5 (1m65) or less than 6 feet.
Nowadays it's 1m74...5 feet 9 inches.
In french, but Google translate may help :
http://www.napoleon1er.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3961&highlight=taille+++grenadier
Quote from: clibinarium on 10 November 2012, 01:23:45 PM
So the dragoon horses will be smaller, maybe not 12 hands but not far off, the riders something in the 5' to 5'5'' range, or whatever "looks" right to me. That's the real test actually; whether it looks right to me. Pendraken have pretty much always let me use my best judgement, and ,my own specifications.
Cheers Clib.
You've hit the nail on the head with 'what looks right'.....Which when it boils down to it, is what has to be done with just about everything at this scale....
There just has to a fair amount of 'compromise'.
Quote from: barbarian on 10 November 2012, 01:52:22 PM
I' say men were more 5 feet 5 (1m65) or less than 6 feet.
Nowadays it's 1m74...5 feet 9 inches.
'B'...
I'm sure you're right....Mankind's 'average height' seems to have varied quite significantly over the centuries....Up and down and up again depending on the period...and presumably dependent on the populations' diet/nutrition.
I guess everything works OK on the tabletop because we have forces from the same 'times' fighting each other...So it doesn't really matter whether '10'mm represents 5 foot 5 inches...5 foot 8 inches, or more....Both sides should be 'the same'.
As a matter of interest....Were any wars/battles fought between sides that would have been noticeably taller/shorter (on average) than each other ?
Cheers again - Phil.
Techno - yes - Revolutionary and Napolionic Wars....French shrank by about 3 cm in average height.
IanS
As I recall, the minimum height for recruitment into Napoleon's Grenadiers of the Imperial Guard was 5' 3"! Anyone smaller went into the Chasseurs. Gives some idea of the average height at the time, I would think. :o
Bear in mind that an inch has not remained a constant length through its history.
Hmmm.
That's an interesting fact...Though thinking about it, it seems totally logical.
Have we got any idea of the range of difference ?
Cheers - Phil.
For anyone who wants an academic look at the subject;
http://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/572/1/european_heights_in_the_early_18th_century.pdf
Of course these men were shorter on average, so there'll still have been tall men knocking about (cuirassiers and grenadiers have to come from somewhere). Interestingly Frederick the Great's hussars stipulated a maximum height of 5'5''
One of the tallest men of the period was born not far from where I'm from, Charles Byrne, 7'7'' (though there's nothing in the water; I'm not tall. Actually thinking about it it was poor Charles' pituitary gland that was responsible.)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RJPOV0r2Ij4/TTQeODjPr1I/AAAAAAAAAVQ/r7nRv0vlgP0/s1600/Charles+Byrne.jpg)
Quoteand presumably dependent on the populations' diet/nutrition.
The French population went through 20-25 years of famine and starvation before they started lopping off heads in the French Revolution. I assume that is why the average height of French soldiers was so small during the Napoleonic wars.
QuoteWere any wars/battles fought between sides that would have been noticeably taller/shorter (on average) than each other
IIRC, Scotty Bowden mades some references to the giant Russian Guard Grenadiers chopped down by the short French at the battle of Austerlitz. It seems the Russians really went overboard with height when they created the Guard Grenadiers.
;DMy grandad served on HMS Duke of York during WWII, one of his fellow officers was asked to sort the height for new pompom guns, so he took an average of the crew height and set at the guns at 5'4."
He was hauled in front of the Admiral a few hours later and told that if the guns remained at that height the crew average would drop dramatically!! ;D
Quote from: Jagger on 11 November 2012, 02:54:17 PM
IIRC, Scotty Bowden mades some references to the giant Russian Guard Grenadiers chopped down by the short French at the battle of Austerlitz. It seems the Russians really went overboard with height when they created the Guard Grenadiers.
When Napoleon and Alexander II met at Tilsit it was generally remarked how the Russian Guard Grenadiers towered over the French Imperial Guardsmen. What the observation failed to recognise is that smaller men tend to be more aggressive and have more to prove than their more placid taller fellows. :d
Ray (5' 7" and shrinking)
As in the habit of Glaswegian men under 5' 6" (about half the population) to pick fights with any taller man on Friday night. Michael Green remarks that the most realistic solution to the problem is to go up to the shortest man in the pub and say "Hit me now, Jock, and get it over with."
Cavalry...Artillery in a few days? Don't tease, be kind.
William
Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 November 2012, 02:47:45 AM
As in the habit of Glaswegian men under 5' 6" (about half the population) to pick fights with any taller man on Friday night. Michael Green remarks that the most realistic solution to the problem is to go up to the shortest man in the pub and say "Hit me now, Jock, and get it over with."
Reminds me of an old Sergenat Major we had...
He didn't have a chip on his shoulder about being short, he had a scaffolding plank. He got his come-uppance in a PT session though when someone called his bluff and they elected to 'sort out their differences' behind the NAAFI later on. With rank removed a young private knocked seven bells of the proverbial out of him in about 15 seconds.
Oddly enough that particular Sergenat Major didn't remain with us for very long once the CO found out.
Indded, even the rank was abolished!
The first post on this topic was in March 2011!! We are approaching 21 months and still the range is incomplete.
Isn't it time for some priority?
Chad
(Frustrated of Stoke)
It's hardley a first look anymore. Probably an effect of the small but very load headgear minority.....
IanS :D
Hi Chad my feelings exactly, I would even go so far as to say the range was useless at the moment. Cavarly was such a large part of the armies of the period.
I do hope we get the range complete some time soon, say withing the next decade ;)
William
Bill
We simply put it on the shelf for the time being and moved to other periods. No point in wasting time painting figures if you don't have a complete range to game.
Chad
Hi Chad
Yes that is the result, they sit unpainted gathering dust. The real danger is that other projects get the cash and time that I would have allocated to this period. This means that even if the Cavalry arrive I might not jump on them ;) because I am now working on other projects.
This is a constant problem with Pendraken, I know the reason is sculptor’s time and availability; however, this is one of the only negatives to an otherwise great mini company.
I advocated a number of years a customer financed 10mm French Rev Project which I got accepted by Eureka then was cancelled, I had the funding dedicated by a number of gamers but Eureka’s sculptor could not commit to the time involved. But here is a new twist, this method of "Kickstart" is now being used with great success by a number of fantasy/Sci fi companies to laucnh boardgames.
So my call to Pendraken is look at the Kickstart model and use it for finishing this range and also do the 10mm French Rev range with Clib as the sculptor. I know we can get the money pledged for this. So come on be the leader in the industry and jump into a new model of creating ranges.
William
It's obviously Leon and Dave's train set.....So their decision entirely.
But for what it's worth, one of the other companies I make soldiers for (in a different scale) is going to go down the kickstarter route.
It DOES seem to be really catching on now, which personally I think is a really good thing !
I know, in a way, that's slightly selfish :-[....as the easier it is for companies to fund 'new' projects....the easier it is for myself and my fellow designers to find things to make for folk.
As banks now seem SO loathe to lend anything to almost everyone, the kickstarters are an excellent way of funding projects.
And (I assume)....there's no crippling interest to pay on the 'loan'....Though I guess someone's making money out of this ??
Cheers - Phil.
Bill
Like you I have absolutely no complaint about Pendraken as a whole, but also like you I am frustrated.
I would be quite happy to order and pay for what I want from the LoA range. All I would need is information on what was in the pipeline as regards cavalry and artillery; I also want more infantry. At least then I couldn't divert my funds into other areas. I'm sure my wargame mate would be quite happy to do the same.
What is more frustrating is that some ranges have started and finished during the time LoA has been in progress.
In hope.
Chad
I can understand the frustration, but hopefully the recent arrival of the AWI cavalry shows that the LoA cavalry will appear as well at some point. Clib's 10mm time is limited though, so things take a little longer than ranges done by other sculptors.
Quote from: Chad on 08 December 2012, 09:00:32 AM
All I would need is information on what was in the pipeline as regards cavalry and artillery; I also want more infantry.
The artillery crews are done, so we just need to get the guns sorted.
Quote from: Wkeyser on 08 December 2012, 07:56:17 AM
This is a constant problem with Pendraken, I know the reason is sculptor’s time and availability; however, this is one of the only negatives to an otherwise great mini company.
I advocated a number of years a customer financed 10mm French Rev Project which I got accepted by Eureka then was cancelled, I had the funding dedicated by a number of gamers but Eureka’s sculptor could not commit to the time involved.
I would hardly call it a constant problem? Let's not forget that the French Rev range currently in the catalogue was originally done to your specification for you, but you never backed it up with any purchases? So there is a certain reluctance to go down that road again.
Quote from: Wkeyser on 08 December 2012, 07:56:17 AM
So my call to Pendraken is look at the Kickstart model and use it for finishing this range and also do the 10mm French Rev range with Clib as the sculptor. I know we can get the money pledged for this. So come on be the leader in the industry and jump into a new model of creating ranges.
Kickstarter is a non-starter in this scale and with a niche range, we've discussed this before. If you wanted a basic range of 20 codes, say 3 poses per pack, plus moulding, we're looking at over £2000 of costs. Then you've got to factor in all the discounted figures you then have to supply to the people who have pledged into the range. By the time you've included all that metal, and the time to cast them all up, you're way up past £4000 needed just to cover everything.
That's a lot of money, and I seriously doubt we'd get pledges anywhere near that.
And as a final point, which I mentioned on TMP a long time ago, you want the range to be done by Clibinarium? So a Kickstarter is again no use, as he wouldn't have the spare sculpting time to get the figures done in a realistic timeframe for the backers.
Hold on Leon when we did start that project it was with the specific requirement that we whould approve the greens before they where put into production, that was not the case, all of a sudden those dwarfs with bicorns showed up on my door step
I was responsible for the money of a number of gamers to the tune of 5.000 USD back in I guess around 2000. The brief for you was to reproduce the quality that the test figure from Eureka had. Those French Rev Figs did not come close, that is why when I sent photos of the actual figures to my backers they where really disappointed and where not willing to spend the money on what all felt where substandard figures when compared to the Eureaka figure.
However, since then your quality of figures, has risen dramatically and now both Clibs work and number of other sculptors you use are second to none in the 10mm world.
If the quality of those French Rev figures would have been close to what was expected by me and my backers the range would have gotten a shot in the arm of about 5.000 USD up front. It was a Kickstart project before its time.
I can still not figure out why you are not willing to go with this project with a funding pledge from gamers. I know that most of the original gamers have moved on to other projects, however, I still firmly believe that this project could be gotten off the ground by you guys. I realize that taking money from backers with the promise of figures is a scary proposal but I think all you would have to do is say as we originally intended that the project had one year to be completed, and that if in the unlikely event it fell through the money would have to be put to existing figures from other ranges.
And yes I think that money can stll be rasied, I am still intrested if I give you a list of figures you give me the amount you need and I will try and get it done. As to Clib, I am sure that if we gave him one year for the range, and the money he would need I think he would have the time for it as it would be a good amount of money up front, a good block of steady work for a year is what any freelance sculptor would want.
So sorry no those French Revs where not what was agreed upon and there is no way I would purchase figures of such a low standard, while you and Dave put out such great figures in other ranges.
William
Here is photo to show what we where looking for the fully painted one and the figures I recived.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8069/8256236567_a3510f1a1d.jpg)
Firstly, I think that pic shows the figure in a rather worse light than in reality. Without getting into this too much, no-one communicated to us that the figures weren't what you were looking for, so we continued paying out for sculpts/moulds. After a large outlay, which was over and above our regular design budget, no one was buying, so we stopped the sculpting, and the range was left unfinished. When Dave was running the business as a part-time/hobby outfit back then, that was a lot of money to be out of pocket.
The question has to be raised, if Eureka did a test-figure which you were happy with, why didn't they go ahead with the full range? With $5000 sat waiting, surely they'd have grabbed it with both hands?
Quote from: Wkeyser on 09 December 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I can still not figure out why you are not willing to go with this project with a funding pledge from gamers.
We've been over this several times: a) because we don't like taking people's money in advance for a lot of reasons, unforeseen delays, more deadlines to hit, etc. And b) because you want Clib to do the range, when he's already busy with other things for us and many other companies. We could get another sculptor to do it, but you've said that wouldn't do, so there's not a lot of options left?
Perhaps its best to draw a line under the previous proceedings on the French Revolution range, what's done is done. It was before my time with Pendraken and I don't know the ins and outs of it.
It might help clarify things generally if I explain how I relate to Pendraken. Dave gave a leg up when I began sculpting, and 10mm is my chosen scale for my own collection. When I moved to full time professional sculpting it became clear that 15mm and up was where my daily bread was going to come from. Because I loved 10mm it was informally agreed that anything I sculpted would be produced by Pendraken initially for an exchange of figures, then for a small fee since Dave felt bad about not paying me anything, though I did resist being paid at all for a while as it felt like charging a friend. This suited everyone; Pendraken got my sculpts, I got the sculpts produced and a bit of money, all was happy. Now that system has some downsides. It meant that my 10mm work had to fit into the gaps between the bigger scale work, which put food on the table. It also means that I had total control over a range's content; that is both good and bad. Good in that the ranges are wide in scope, and bad for the same reason. Imagine you were able to create your dream range for a period; sounds great? Well don't forget how carried away you'll get with all sorts of odds and ends you'll want to add, and suddenly the list of figures gets very long. So while I do ranges thoroughly it takes me a while.
Contrast that with other ranges, they are done differently. Dave and Leon draw up a specific list, commission a sculptor and the list is completed relatively swiftly. Less variants perhaps, but all you need.
Recently we changed things a bit over the AWI and LoA cavalry. Leon asked to get the essentials done at the going rate. That suited us both since Leon could stop having his ears bent with calls for cavalry, and I could put the cavalry into a proper design time slot and get them knocked out. Hence AWI cavalry (though me being me I did more variants than were asked for and threw them in for free). The same would have gone for the LoA horse, but I simply had run out of horse dollies and could go no further,(in retrospect adding more variants to those AWI cavalry didn't help that) and unfortunately I couldn't get the first pack done for the December releases. Leon is in the process of sending me more, but the logistics of Christmas orders makes thing a bit more difficult. As soon as we get round that LoA horse will begin to appear in the new year. Its just logistics that the problem at the moment, everyone is willing and able to continue.
On the original French Rev range, master castings were sent out, no reply/response was received, so I went ahead and moulded the figures. When no orders came I chased up the reason to find that you did not like the figures. This is a period I would like to do, but will be done to my time frame and decision making on the codes, Clib is interested but can only start once the AWI and LoA ranges are competed. Clib did set up a yahoo group on the 10mm revolutionary period range but interest was very poor, hence decision to look at other periods.
Dave
I had a chat with Leon at Colours whilst looking at the Falklands range up close and personal. Without going into too much detail, there is a wide price difference per figure charged by the various sculptors used by Pendraken. This means on some of the ranges they will do well over time to cover their costs, as they are very much for a niche market. (See Dave's comment below with regards the French Revolutionary range interest). My main interest is WWII and I would love Pendraken to make a Polish range, but would there be enough interest to justify them making such an investment? I would love to think so, but I doubt it. The interest always seems to be in late War in my experience.
Now I'm a professional modelmaker with 26 + years experience and if I were to charge 'normal' rates (c. £50 per hour) to make a vehicle for Pendraken, I doubt very much whether they would ever be able to recupe their investment, talk less of making a profit. As and when time allows I take the same view as Clib and charge them a nominal fee in return for figures as I don't have the time to commit to producing a vehicle to order by a certain date.
Glad to see you chime in Clib. Now armed with more information (although you did not need to disclose all this, but appreciate you did) I will try to stop bugging you about the cavalry and artillery at the end of every month.
I never was really certain how sculpters go about getting and doing commissions, and all the in's and out's, sort of speak, which transpire along those lines. I think, however, for fans of Clib's work, that it is too much of a tease to come out with this large release of LoA infantry in a relatively short period of time, and then seeing what your skills are with regards to the cavalry in "the other" (28mm) LoA range, and be disappointed in not having something for Pendraken in the same time. Certainly most are aware the money for sculpters is in the larger stuff, and as a working artist, no one can blame you.
Simply speaking, I, like many perhaps, can be impatient, and could argue why the first releases of the LoA range could not be a small release of each of infantry, cavalry, and artillery. Although, making sense from a marketing view, it is not feasable, and working within one basic dolly (rather it be infantry, horse, or cannon) is much easier, and able to pull off more codes with variation.
I will await paitiently, and just check the 1st of every month, and will resist the temtation to bug you ;)
William
I do have plans to do the Poles, Belgiums etc for ww2, I've overloaded the vehicle designer with ww1 stuff for release (hopefully) middle of next year, at moment working on putting more ww2 Italians stuff out :) so much stuff so little money :-\ :-\ :'( :'( which is why I still work full time and cast every night to 11ish!!!!!!! >:(
Dave
Grreat insight from all sides as to how it works. Makes me feel guilty I've not spent money this month (yet)...
QuoteI do have plans to do the Poles, Belgiums etc for ww2
Glad to hear it Dave :).
Quote from: Leon on 09 December 2012, 12:47:21 AM
Kickstarter is a non-starter in this scale and with a niche range, we've discussed this before. If you wanted a basic range of 20 codes, say 3 poses per pack, plus moulding, we're looking at over £2000 of costs. Then you've got to factor in all the discounted figures you then have to supply to the people who have pledged into the range. By the time you've included all that metal, and the time to cast them all up, you're way up past £4000 needed just to cover everything.
That's a lot of money, and I seriously doubt we'd get pledges anywhere near that.
And as a final point, which I mentioned on TMP a long time ago, you want the range to be done by Clibinarium? So a Kickstarter is again no use, as he wouldn't have the spare sculpting time to get the figures done in a realistic timeframe for the backers.
Sadly.....I think you've made
very fair points there Leon.
Working at varying scales for folk, I often tend to forget that things don't/won't work in the same way for different manufacturers in the industry. :(
Cheers - Phil.
QuoteFirstly, I think that pic shows the figure in a rather worse light than in reality.
first picture I've seen of this range and I'm a huge enthusiast concerning this period... Seems to be a general problem of figures for the French Revoutionary Wars.. I have never seen a single picture of those 15mm Battle Honors 1799 Russian musketeers, grenadiers or cavalry, same goes for their Brits and the majority of the Austrian range...sadly, this doesn't really speak for the popularity of the period. Or no one wants to buy a pig in a poke.. or both? I don't know, but in any case it's a pity.
(Actually, concerning this problem, the AWI and LOA ranges are a very positive examples..pictures of the actual figures
and painted :-bd )
Well and the LOA cav..good things come to those who wait.. I guess most (99%?) of all wargamers sit on a gigantic mountain of unpainted lead which may be tackled before those riders are finally released.
Just caught up with the interesting dialogue over the French Rev Wars figure farago - fascinating period - bags of gaming potential - perfect for div sized battles for all those clashes in the Italian Wars & the bigger battles in Low Countries and Germany - but still a minority interest - Even the extensive and well established 15mm BattleHonours French Rev range did not sell well - when I used to buy them the dust on the packs said everything - that I was probably the only person buying then.
It sounds as though there was a serious communication problem regarding the range, what was acceptable, but the sponsor can only have an input and that final decision has to be Pendrakens. I would think that this forum would probably now resolve these issues before it had gone too far.
I do not think the Kickstarter option is a goer as the hobby and our purchases are just too small - Even all this stuff about LofA cav has to be dependent upon modeller's time and Pendraken's project budget. Keith Warren and I are a pretty heavy purchasers of Pendraken figs between us over £1,000 a year - but even my purchase of the cav would only be £200 - £250 to match the amount I have laready spent on infantry yet this would only be equivalent for a few masteras.
BTW the 10mm French were not bad and painted up well, but the molehills they were standing on were dire - I bought a few packs to make up some AWI units but spent many an hour paring down the bases and losing not a few figures breaking in the process.
Hi,
I took time to read comment of this topic since 2011!
I wait with a lot of impatience for the next references of the LOA range. I began to paint the foot soldiers who are magnificent. Excellent work of Clib as usual.
Leon, have you a term for the new references (cavalry, artillery and personalities)?
Cheers, BH62.
Quote from: BH62 on 19 March 2013, 05:47:21 PM
Leon, have you a term for the new references (cavalry, artillery and personalities)?
Cheers, BH62.
Artillery should be ready in a couple of weeks, with the first batch of cavalry to follow on shortly after that.
8)
Quote from: Leon on 20 March 2013, 05:00:29 AM
Artillery should be ready in a couple of weeks, with the first batch of cavalry to follow on shortly after that.
8)
Cue Mr. Handel - Hallelujah! :D
Some WIP of the first cavalry figures, which are usable for the majority of cavalry. More will follow, but these are the most useful.
Cavalry command
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3909_zps87218d0c.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3908_zps99d84558.jpg)
Cavalry attacking with pistols
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3911_zpse6c17f80.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3910_zps9567a657.jpg)
Cavalry attacking with swords
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3907_zps266ffa19.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3906_zpse7e106a6.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG3905_zps4af4818b.jpg)
Clib,
I do not know what to say, these set a new standard for 10mm figures. They are well worth waiting for, many, many, congratulations.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Mollinary
They look the business clib, lovely work, might be a while before i get around to them,
kev
Oooooooo blimey !!!!
Stunning, clib, stunning 8) :) 8)
Gimme, gimme =D>
Great looking figures, will have to clear my painting que for these. Fantastic looking horses, even though the standard horses from Pendraken are good, these are much much better. I hope Pendraken can use these for some of their other ranges. Again Clib does the best 10mm figures on the market!
William
Breathtaking, Clib. Simply breathtaking. :o >:<
Cheers,
Aart
Woo hoo! These look fantastic, really dynamic. Get them cast up now, Leon!
I can't belive.
At last.
I'm really moved.
Just when you thought it was safe to be painting another period!! :'( :'(
Now beginning to feel the onset of 'place-an-order-itis'. Doctor Leon is there a cure? ;)
Chad
No cure I'm afraid :(. Just succumb to the temptation :d.
Quote from: Chad on 22 March 2013, 07:59:36 AM
Now beginning to feel the onset of 'place-an-order-itis'. Doctor Leon is there a cure? ;)
We could attempt a wallet-ectomy...?
Wow.
Amazing.
I'm agog to see what the really good painters will make of them. Superb! =D> =D> =D>
Ray
I will do my best! ;)
Seriously, I agree. I wish I could do them justice, but I shall do my own thing and hopefully they won't be a complete disaster. :(
Chad
Just seen the pics and these are stunning, simple stunning 8).
Just seen the pics after a tip off from Chad. Mouthwatering. Can't wait to get a paintbrush on them - after a visit to the bank, of course, to get a loan!!!! ;D :'(
Figures and especially horses so good. In fact, the new Pendraken and re-modelled ranges are so good and so detailed, I actually tried (because I'm mad) - and now do - the Kevin Dallimore black undercoat and 2-3 shades technique!!!!!!
That, by the way, is a comment on the superb figures, and not me boasting about my painting!!!!
Roll on retirement so I can paint all these (and no doubt many yet to be bought) lovely figures.
Well done Clib. DaveL
Quotethe Kevin Dallimore black undercoat and 2-3 shades technique!!!!!!
There in lies the path to madness ;).
Damn these are good Clib :o :D
I was tempted by the infantry, but I'm blown away by the cavalry! I'm really going to have to study this period.
Cheers,
Kev
Hi guys any chance of the cavalry being ready for Salute?
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 26 March 2013, 05:37:02 AM
Hi guys any chance of the cavalry being ready for Salute?
For Salute 2014 ? Yes, probably.
Quote from: Wkeyser on 26 March 2013, 05:37:02 AM
Hi guys any chance of the cavalry being ready for Salute?
William
At the moment, I don't know is the honest answer. When the sculpts arrive with us, they will go straight into the moulding process, but with only a little over 3 weeks until Salute now, it could be very close. If we do have them ready, it will be a case of 'first come, first served' for whatever stock I manage to get cast up in time.
Quote from: maciek on 26 March 2013, 09:55:15 AM
For Salute 2014 ? Yes, probably.
:-q :P
Truly lovely figures, full of realistic animation. :)
I wish LoA was on my list, or perhaps it should be. :-\
Looking at the cavalry stirred desires to start 30 years war, which is on my list. Perhaps a larger plume and they could be late French cavalry such as musketeers.
Brilliant, Rob :)
Quote from: Leon on 26 March 2013, 10:40:54 AM
For Salute 2014 ? Yes, probably.
:-q :P
:d :d :d
At the centre of every silver lining there is a cloud.
I think I hear the metaphorical sound of LoA artillery... looks to be about 2 days away.
:-\
William
That sounds great, artillery and cavalry just around the corner, well time to start putting together obs. And back into the painting que go the infantry.
I really like that fact that Clib is thinking about doing smaller horses for the Dragoons, the first time I saw this was with Tony Barton of AB. He had light cavalry horses and heavy cav horses. I love that attention to detail.
Clib could you let us know how many types of cav you have planned? I remember seeing the dismounted french dragoons are you also planning some other dismounted dragoons?
I would love to see a large varity of officers, again the fact that you are doing some many variation to each type gives me hope that there will be lots of officers.
Love your work Clib and cannot wait to see the new stuff for sale.
William
Happy thought - French LoA dragoons would probably fit into my WSS army with few problems. Woopee-do! :)
Don't know if it has already been asked.
Are new Cuirassier in the pipeline or are the Marlburian figures covering both periods?
Chad
I'd imagine Clib will be doing new ones at some point.
I'll be doing them soon(ish), I don't think those cuirassiers in the WSS range would fit very well with the LoA stuff which are slighter.
Fantatic figures, just got my Cav figures in my sweety hands. They are the best I have seen in 10mm and without a doubt better than most 15mm figures.
Great job Clib.
Now just to be greedy, I love the fact you do so many variations with the troopers. I would love to request one or two more officers for the units.
Cannot wait for my artillery to get here. The LOA is back in the painting que. I am in the middle of 500 6mm Russians for our 1807 campaign, but that will be done in two weeks then it is one to the LOA figures.
Any news on the Dragoons, I love the idea of smaller horses for them, just fantastic attention to detail, which already makes this range stand out as one of the best out there.
William
Agree. With WK, the cavalry were absolutely fabulous. I resisted temptation at SALUTE, as there are far more deserving hands than mine that should be grasping them to go with their infantry, but I WILL get Maurice armies for this period when the range is complete (honest! ;))
Mollinary
Will the LoA Cavalry be in the May releases?
Thanks,
William
Quote from: William on 23 April 2013, 02:43:44 AM
Will the LoA Cavalry be in the May releases?
Yes, they will be, the moulds are all done, so I'll just need to get some pics taken for the website.
We've still got a few packs left from Salute, so any orders purely for cavalry can be sent straight out.
8)
Thanks Leon. I knew if I was patient, I could get the LoA artillery, new infantry poses AND cavalry all in one order (saves a bit of postage to the states.)
William
:)
Just recived my dismounted dragoons and gunners. All fantastic stuff. I still have some 5mm Napoleonic to paint then they are next.
By the way Clib, do you have any overall plan for the range, so we can get an idea of what we might expect when the range is done!
It would be great if we where to get some mounted officers next, and mounted Dragoons that would really allow most things to be done with the range.
Thanks
William
QuoteBy the way Clib, do you have any overall plan for the range, so we can get an idea of what we might expect when the range is done!
!!!
Hi
This has the makings of the best range of figures yet.
However before I jump in how many more codes in this range are left to be released.
Hope there are some advancing with plug bayonet figures to come.
jim
A conjunction of the planets this week saw me completing my Sudan 1883-5 project, a win of £75 on the Premium Bonds, and spotting this new range. Looks like fate has lined up a fascinating new period........ 8)
Quote from: Jim Ando on 03 May 2013, 10:20:02 PM
However before I jump in how many more codes in this range are left to be released.
I'd imagine quite a few, but Clib's the man with the plan on that!
I got the cavalry opened. Looked. Then had a sex wee in my trousers. They are PROPER mint. The cavalry command. The officer in there is one of the best 10mm figs I've seen. EVER.
Quote from: Alan on 20 May 2013, 07:35:07 PM
... Then had a sex wee in my trousers....
Too much information!! :o X_X ;D
This is just so unfair.... what with Phil... Martin... and now you... Clib This is a blatant conspiracy to empty my bank account. Those figures are beautiful. :-B
all the best
Sean
;D ;D Yes a bit too much info, i have just about finished my pack and i must admit they made me smile but that's all i'm admitting to ;D.
Will try and get a pic on over the weekend,
kev
QuoteI'd imagine quite a few, but Clib's the man with the plan on that!
As I'm thinking of using some of the LoA range for my ImagiNations forces, would it be possible to get an idea of roughly what is yet to come in this range Clib? Any info would be greatly appreciated :).
Quote from: Alan on 20 May 2013, 07:35:07 PM
I got the cavalry opened. Looked. Then had a sex wee in my trousers. They are PROPER mint. The cavalry command. The officer in there is one of the best 10mm figs I've seen. EVER.
Seconded, bar the wee thingamy. These are the best 10 mil figures I've seen so far. Ever. The models are detailed, the poses are lifelike and energetic, the variation is great. I just received my first LoA cavalry order and I'm happy as a kid.
Cheers,
Aart (<-1 happy as a kid >:<)
I've just got my order with new LoA figures (cavalry and artillery). Poses are nice and sculpts are simply saying superb.
Just one suggestion: please, consider a bit shorter hair. Not all soldiers in this war were wild Irishmen ;)
I've gave up with the botton holes. IMO they make painting figures more difficult. I would like to se figures without buttons nor holes, but I understand that standards were set to do them with holes. :(
One more question. An artillery crewman (picture attached), what does he hold ?
The Artillery figure has a short lintstock, as seen in this picture. The other similar figure carries the longer version.
(http://www.kipar.org/military-history/military/uniforms/1690_2.jpg)
Thanks.
Any work when we might see the lovely tricorn versions of the cav, curiassiers and german/austrian helmet cuirassiers, almost at that stage for my Marlburians and figure why not wait!!
Cheers Rex
I have now jumped feet first into this line and have many hundreds of figures sitting in little piles before me. However, there is one thing missing, generals. Any chance we will get some general types soon? Overall, this is an absolutely brilliant range of figures. The detail is really incredible for the size.
Some new cavalry on the way, firstly the existing packs of attacking cavalry with swords and pistols have been rejigged to have swords on waist belts rather than cross belts, which makes them more suitable for French cavalry (to this end they also have a small epaulette on the right shoulder, which can be scraped off if not wanted.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4020_zps38677c9c.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4020_zps38677c9c.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4019_zps47526dd9.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4019_zps47526dd9.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4021_zps06ce7f36.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4021_zps06ce7f36.jpg.html)
More importantly there's new cuirassiers and command, in breast and back plate and German style pot helmets, best suited to Austrian heavies, useful for Bavarians too. Also usable for the Earl of Oxford's horse, though the helmet style is slightly different. Once they are cast they will be refitted with hats rather than helmets to give more heavy horse.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4023_zpsba2e45a6.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4023_zpsba2e45a6.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4022_zpscafd1613.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4022_zpscafd1613.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4025_zps6c70345c.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4025_zps6c70345c.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4024_zps43af51d6.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4024_zps43af51d6.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4027_zps36a316a4.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4027_zps36a316a4.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/clibinarium/RIMG4026_zps713d3a0d.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/clibinarium/media/RIMG4026_zps713d3a0d.jpg.html)
Very nice, this is definitely driving me towards some sort of imaginations gaming.
Cheers
Craig
Fantastic, as soon as they are released an order will be on its way :D :D :D
Awesome work once again Clib 8).
The "lobster-pot" cuirassiers would do nicely for WSS Austrian and Bavarian cuirassiers also. :-bd
Superb work Clib, great addition to an amazing range!
I can see a pile of these on my painting table once released. =)
Stunning work Clib, will be on my list,
kev
oh yumm just in time to prevent an indulgence for more WSS Marlburian Cav yippee, Leon when are the Cuirassiers going to be released? and quick give the man what he needs so he can give us tricorn cuirassiers as well!
Beautiful again, clib 8)
AAARRGHHHHH ..!!!!!
I NEED MORE TIME TO PAINT THESE BEAUTIES !!!!!
Quotethere's new cuirassiers and command, in breast and back plate and German style pot helmets, best suited to Austrian heavies, useful for Bavarians too. Also usable for the Earl of Oxford's horse, though the helmet style is slightly different. Once they are cast they will be refitted with hats rather than helmets to give more heavy horse.
Do we really need cavalry in back and breast plates and hats ? Which regiments will they represent (apart from single regiment of Cuirassiers du Roi) ?
I think that cavalry in hats and
breastplates only would be more usefull (for Danes and some Germac regiments in WSS).
Also, another command would be nice, with another pose of officer and with
kettledrummer !!!
Quote from: maciek on 30 August 2013, 07:08:05 AM
Do we really need cavalry in back and breast plates and hats ? Which regiments will they represent (apart from single regiment of Cuirassiers du Roi) ?
I think that cavalry in hats and breastplates only would be more usefull (for Danes and some Germac regiments in WSS).
Also, another command would be nice, with another pose of officer and with kettledrummer !!!
Think Marlburian my friend :)
If the Infantry had tricorne, all my dreams would have come true. A fantastic figure selection for GNW.
Any chance of seeing the latest cavalry for Crisis?????
One can live in hope.
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 02 October 2013, 12:46:03 PM
Any chance of seeing the latest cavalry for Crisis?????
One can live in hope.
William
Not sure at the moment, but we can try. We've master moulded the waistbelt troopers, so they just need checking over ready for production moulds. The cuirassier sculpts haven't made it into a master mould yet, so not so sure on those.
8)
Quote from: Leon on 02 October 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Not sure at the moment, but we can try. We've master moulded the waistbelt troopers, so they just need checking over ready for production moulds. The cuirassier sculpts haven't made it into a master mould yet, so not so sure on those.
8)
Hi Leon, any update on these and the cuirassier release date? I'm feeling the urge to spend some money :)
No real update as yet, the converted troopers are on the side waiting to be production moulded, and the cuirassiers are still waiting on a master mould.
8)
Hi Leon
If you get the cavalry done for Crisi I will take 8 packs!
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 25 October 2013, 06:19:43 AM
Hi Leon
If you get the cavalry done for Crisi I will take 8 packs!
William
Unlikely unfortunately, we've got about 20 moulds in the queue for Pendraken (Mongols and Ancient Spanish) and another 20 for the contract casting side, so Dave's going to be busy for a while!
:o
New LoA for Crimbo? :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd
Thats too bad Leon. Oh well I am sure I will find other things at your booth I cannot live without ;)
See you there.
William
Quote from: Wkeyser on 28 October 2013, 11:31:47 AM
Thats too bad Leon. Oh well I am sure I will find other things at your booth I cannot live without ;)
See you there.
8)
Ok just the usual check!
Any news from Clib about the range, and any news on when you might get those latest cavalry figs from clib into production?
Thanks
William
New LoA for Crimbo? :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd
Quote from: Wkeyser on 14 November 2013, 12:47:36 PM
Any news from Clib about the range, and any news on when you might get those latest cavalry figs from clib into production?
All of the new cavalry figures have been master moulded, and are now on the side waiting to go into production moulds. They are behind the Mongols and the Ancient Spanish in the queue though, so they won't be appearing until 2014 now unfortunately.
Thats to bad, however, I know I am waiting for the range to be completed (at least the main figure types, officers etc) before I purchase more, and there are probably a lot of people on the fence with this one.
The range is fantastic and contains some of the best sculpts in 10mm out there, also the period is unique and not a lot of compition.
Also take a look at the hits this thread has vrs others, it seems to me that this is one of the most looked at thread!
Really wish it was further along!
William who know santa is not bringing any league of augsburg figures for under the tree!!! :'(
I too am waiting to start on this lot- well the Monmouth rebellion anyway. Looking forward to some rebel musketeers and scruffy government militia types. Someday anyway.
Ok Clib lets get this range at least stocked with the basic troops, we still need artillery and officers, the range was started March 2011 :o
I know that there are others out there waiting for this to get to the point it has a basic set of figures, I even sprang for the new 500+ page Hall book on the uniforms of the Dutch!!!! I would think that this would be a priority for Pendraken, move the range from what probably does not sell as it is incomplete to a range where people can start painting armies and getting it on to the table, where others will see the figures and will want to get into this fascinating period.
So my Christmas and New Years Wish to Pendraken Please Please get this range playable by the first quarter of 2014 which will be three years since it started
Thanks
William
We've got the bulk of the artillery, it's only really missing a galloper gun and the mortar at the moment. On the cavalry side, we've got the last batch of sculpts all master moulded, they just need prepping for production moulds now. Hopefully we'll find some time for that in the new year.
Quote from: Wkeyser on 19 December 2013, 09:06:43 AM
I would think that this would be a priority for Pendraken, move the range from what probably does not sell as it is incomplete...
Quite the opposite, it sells pretty well, better sales than WSS/SYW or ECW, which is good to see. As the range expands, that can only get better.
8)
That is great Leon, cannot wait to see the Arty and rest of the cavalry that is done.
William
Once the cavalry with are in the queue are released the range will be basically complete, the only significant gap to fill after that will be some mounted dragoons. After that I'll probably add the more niche elements like some elite cavalry types, fusileers, Guards etc, stuff that can be done with existing figures if not fussy, but its nice to have specific figures for.
I think the artillery is done as far as field pieces go (I've not been convinced galloper guns were in widespread use so haven't done any) , though some seige pieces may have to be added.
Hi Clib
It would be great to have some commanders both mounted and on foot.
The range is fantastic thanks for some great work.
William
agree that commanders are amust
best figures pound for pound i have seen
the variety really makes a regt llook realistic
Senior Generals and their followers would be good
Range coming along nicely, just need some specific un-uniformed musketeers and cavalry now for Monmouth and I'm in.
Ideally I would like to see in 10mm all of what Clib has done for Warfare Miniatures' LoA range, but of course in his more unusual, yet elegant approach in 10mm. It is interesting mounted dragoons are missing from both ranges, hmmmm?
William :-\
Possibly. Do you have a theory?
Quote from: clibinarium on 04 February 2014, 09:41:57 PM
Possibly. Do you have a theory?
I assume you are waiting for something. Possibly to coordinate the same type of pose within each range. As far as I know, there is only 1 size horse, so maybe a smaller horse for a dragoon is needed, a template you are working on?
William
Well it's another vote for un-uniformed Monmouth rebels on foot and horse, badly uniformed militia and some commanders. For "chrome" maybe some picket duty posed infantry, casualties and some civilian types to populate the west country with.
Thanks.
Quote from: Leon on 14 November 2013, 04:51:58 PM
All of the new cavalry figures have been master moulded, and are now on the side waiting to go into production moulds. They are behind the Mongols and the Ancient Spanish in the queue though, so they won't be appearing until 2014 now unfortunately.
Will these be ready for Salute?
Quote from: Sandinista on 05 April 2014, 11:06:58 AM
Will these be ready for Salute?
Probably not unfortunately, the mould press has been commandeered by all the WWI moulds for a while now. Hopefully I can sneak them in when Dave's not looking, but it won't be until after Salute now.
:(
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Some of us have to learn to live with lonnnggg waits.
Spoke to Dave at Salute, he said there may be done by end of April... any news?
This wait is becoming long :'(
Quote from: Sandinista on 03 June 2014, 06:00:07 PM
This wait is becoming long :'(
Yep, it feels pretty long from this end as well!
:(
Quote from: Leon on 03 June 2014, 06:18:14 PM
Yep, it feels pretty long from this end as well!
Can I get a "that's what she said"?
Yes you can... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Can we start a new thread for this one guys? Difficult to see the wood for the trees, also it ain't 'new' anymore. That way I may not miss the release of the missing bits in the range ;) :P
Yes it's 10 months since we were teased with the photos of the cuirassiers :(
Any update on these? less than 2 months to the 1st anniversary :(
You'll be asking for a Centurion next......
IanS
Hopefully soon! There's 40-odd moulds in the queue for other companies, so we're having to squeeze Pendraken stuff in where we can unfortunately.
:(
Quote from: ianrs54 on 26 June 2014, 11:49:40 AM
You'll be asking for a Centurion next......
IanS
A Churchill maybe ;)
Would make a nice personality figure....
IanS
They'd have problems casting the cigar....
No problems with cigar, the smoke though ........challenge for Techno....
IanS
Oh ye of little faith. :P
Cheers - Phil
And little money....