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Title: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 20 March 2021, 10:10:17 AM
Is the second mounted figure suitable for WotR Queen Margaret?
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 20 March 2021, 10:13:07 AM
Which 2nd figure ?
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Shedman on 20 March 2021, 10:28:12 AM
If she is riding side-saddle then yes

This is her in 15mm from  https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/worc02-margaret-of-anjou-2936-p.asp (https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/worc02-margaret-of-anjou-2936-p.asp)

(https://8.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/aandm/images/worc02-margaret-of-anjou-2936-p.jpg)

Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 20 March 2021, 10:49:53 AM
That's the general idea. There are two mounted dark ages civilians; I can't tell if the female one would transplant well half a millennium into the future.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Leon on 20 March 2021, 11:16:33 AM
She's not side saddle I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Techno II on 20 March 2021, 01:18:30 PM
That's a 15mm figure ?

Nice paint job....BUT....

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Leman on 21 March 2021, 09:26:13 AM
I think it was used just to illustrate what Queen Margaret should look like and then compare with the 10mm figure. From my reading of the Wars of the Roses she was a bit rough and ready compared to her more effete husband, so I think she could get away with not being sidesaddle.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 21 March 2021, 10:06:35 AM
Quote from: Leman on 21 March 2021, 09:26:13 AM
I think it was used just to illustrate what Queen Margaret should look like and then compare with the 10mm figure. From my reading of the Wars of the Roses she was a bit rough and ready compared to her more effete husband, so I think she could get away with not being sidesaddle.

I'm wondering about improvising a wimple, actually.

Though she could be holding Richard Plantagenet's head as well....
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: DecemDave on 24 March 2021, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: Leman on 21 March 2021, 09:26:13 AM
I think it was used just to illustrate what Queen Margaret should look like and then compare with the 10mm figure. From my reading of the Wars of the Roses she was a bit rough and ready compared to her more effete husband, so I think she could get away with not being sidesaddle.

Agree:   "This woman excelled all other, as well in beauty and favour, as in wit and policy, and was of stomach and courage, more like to a man, than a woman."  says Wikipedia  so it must be true.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 March 2021, 12:35:02 PM
Another way of putting it:

She-wolf of France, but worse than wolves of France,
Whose tongue more poisons than the adder's tooth!
How ill-beseeming is it in thy sex
To triumph, like an Amazonian trull,
Upon their woes whom fortune captivates!
But that thy face is, vizard-like, unchanging,
Made impudent with use of evil deeds,
I would assay, proud queen, to make thee blush.
To tell thee whence thou camest, of whom derived,
Were shame enough to shame thee, wert thou not shameless.
Thy father bears the type of King of Naples,
Of both the Sicils and Jerusalem,
Yet not so wealthy as an English yeoman.
Hath that poor monarch taught thee to insult?
It needs not, nor it boots thee not, proud queen,
Unless the adage must be verified,
That beggars mounted run their horse to death.
'Tis beauty that doth oft make women proud;
But, God he knows, thy share thereof is small:
'Tis virtue that doth make them most admired;
The contrary doth make thee wonder'd at:
'Tis government that makes them seem divine;
The want thereof makes thee abominable:
Thou art as opposite to every good
As the Antipodes are unto us,
Or as the south to the septentrion.
O tiger's heart wrapt in a woman's hide!
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: DecemDave on 24 March 2021, 12:45:15 PM
Yes trolling was so much more inventive then than its social media equivalent today.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 March 2021, 12:52:53 PM
No libel laws helped....
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 March 2021, 12:58:59 PM
Well, he gets his head cut off about five minutes later.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Leman on 24 March 2021, 01:11:27 PM
There is an assumption here that we are all well read up on Shakespeare, but I'm afraid that in this instance I am with Blackadder! So whose head was it?
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 March 2021, 01:32:56 PM
Richard of York, after the battle of Wakefield.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: DecemDave on 24 March 2021, 01:44:43 PM
Returning to the topic, I found this on a "horsey" website

The first sidesaddle was associated with Anne of Bohemia, Queen of England (14th century) who was riding aside to marry King Richard II. The saddle looked like a small chair with a footrest to place her feet. It was complicated to control the horse from that saddle, thus, there was another rider at the front who was holding the reins.

And the design was improved for Catherine de Medici in 16th century.  So would our wolflike and tigerish queen Margaret have put up with an Anne of Bohemia type on a battlefield?  Methinks not but it might explain how she was once captured.

Cant wait for Leon to cast one. perhaps a vignette with rein holder and a soldier presenting a head.    Then I can ask the question on the forum - "is this the Anne of Bohemia or the Catherine de Medici type?"  and go even lower in the esteem of the members.
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 March 2021, 01:57:34 PM
Soldier: Gracious Majesty, I always thought the House of Lancaster would get a head....
Title: Re: Dark ages civvies
Post by: Leman on 25 March 2021, 08:46:19 AM
Aah yes - there's a man who kept on thinking he always knew best, yet kept getting it wrong. A well played hand and he would have been Richard III.