We had chance to chat with Martin at the Warfare show last year and put together a list of the vehicles we'd like to add to the ranges over the next couple of years. There are a couple of WW1/WW2 additions, but the majority of this expansion will be Post-War and Modern vehicles, which should please a lot of people. We'll also be scheduling some re-models at some point as well, as some of our current vehicle models are quite old and will need updated at some point.
We've also got a list from our other designer, who is also working on post-war vehicles, so I've added that in as well.
So, here's Martin's list:
World War 1
Austrian 15cm Howitzer and trail
WW2
M11/39
Large British Truck? (Type TBC)
LVT 1,2,3,4 plus variants
Remodels
New Tiger
New KV1/2+85
Humber MK III/IV
Daimler AC
Stuart Honey
PZIII
PZIV
Korea
M26 Pershing
M47
Vietnam
Armoured Truck
Commando AC
Vietnam Riverine
PBR MKII
Monitor
ATC
Junks and various Boats
Falklands
Peugeot P4 Jeep
VW Iltis Jeep
Rapier
Tracked Rapier
Combat Engineer Tractor
Modern Soviet
BMP1, BMP2 ,BTR60, BTR70, BTR80
T62, T64, T72, T80
Gaz66 truck, Zil Truck
Vasilek Mortar
MTLB
ZSU 57x2, ZSU23x4
Artillery
BM14, BM21, 2S1, 2S3
Modern British
Conqueror
Chieftain
Challenger 1
Centurion Bridge layer
FV432 VARIANTS
Abbot SPG
Ferret Variants
Humber Pig
Saracen
Saladin AC
Bedford RL and MK variants
110 Landrover Variants
Modern American
M60 variants
Duster
Sheridan
M2/M3 Bradley
Artillery
M108,M109,M110
Modern German
Leopard 1 variants
Marder
Fuchs
Luchs AC
And Steve Cox's list:
M4A2 75mm.
M4A2 +AMX turret.
M4A3(75)W.
M4A3(76)W.
M4A3(75)W hvss.
M4A3(76)W hvss.
M4A3(105).
M4A1(75) &(76)W.
M50 Israeli.
M51 Israeli.
Don't forget that this is a long-term plan, so these won't be hitting the catalogue next month. We will do our best to get them sorted and released onto your tables as quickly as we can though.
8)
Nothing there of interest to me, tbh, but plenty of others are going to be happy bunnies, I think!
No mention of the new T34-76 that was shown on the forum recently. Is that somewhere at the back of this queue?
Cheers
Some nice vehicles there that will certainly please the Cold War chaps :).
Israeli tanks for '67 and '73?
Chad
I notice you've remodelled (or you're about to) the Tiger, PzIII and PziV. Are they going to be compatible with the old ones? Or are they going to have to be put into separate units?
Other than that, the list of new post-war kit is mouth-watering. But we still need infantry.
Just a few bits and bobs then. :)
Centurion variants :x :x :x
110 Land Rover variants. Isn't that a little optimistic? Surely a dozen or so will be enough?
Yup. Just the Merkava and you'd have enough for any reasonable person's needs.
I hate to mention it but will there be some infantry to go with this lot?
The Merkava would be great 8).
How about some SWB landrovers.....
IanS
PS - put the Centurions to the BACK of the queue.
Hi IanS
I did a SWB Landrover with removable top back in 2012?
Martin honest I did :D :D
Are these the ones in the Falklands British?
Quote from: Leon on 07 January 2015, 12:25:57 AM
We had chance to chat with Martin at the Warfare show last year and put together a list of the vehicles we'd like to add to the ranges over the next couple of years.
You really mean couple of months dont you :)
Nice list anyway. In the time period you are covering there does seem to be some important absentees. - T10, M103, BRDM-2, M1 (105mm), AMX30, Leopard II A1.
Below is an in service timeline from the Tanknet forum from a few years back. Hope it is of interest. Its surprising how difficult it can be to put old tanks in their proper timeframe.
Tank and AFV Timeline V.3a
1945: Centurion A41(17 #). T-44.
1946:
1947: T-54 Model 1946. Centurion Mk 3(20#).
1949: T-54 Model 1949. M46.
1951: M47 Patton.
1952: T-54 Model 1951. M103. Charioteer.
1953: M48.
1954. M103A1.
1955: T-54A. Conqueror. Centurion Mk 5. M48A2.
1956: M48A2C. T-54B. Centurion Mk 8.
1957:
1958: T-55.
1959: Type 59 - MBT, China. Centurion Mark 5/2(105mm).
1960: M60.
1961: T-62. Type 61 MBT, Japan.
1962: M60A1. M103A2.
1963: M48A3. T-55A. Pz 61, Swiss. Vickers Mk. I.
1964: T-62K.
1965: M60A1E1. Leopard 1.
1966: AMX-30. Strv 103A - MBT, Sweden.
1967: T-64. MBT-70. Chieftain Mk2.
1968: Leopard 1A1.
1969: T-64A. Type 69 - MBT, China. Vijayanta. Chieftain Mk 3. Strv 103B.
1970:.
1971: M60A1 (AOS). Leopard 1A1A1. Pz 68, Swiss. T-72.
1972: Leopard 1A2.
1973: T-64A-M2. Leopard 1A3.
1974: T-64A Object 172M-2. Leopard 1A4. M60A2.
1975: T-64B. M48A5. Leopard 1A1A1. Chieftain ICFS. Type 74 - MBT, Japan.
1976: T-72 Ural-1. T-80. Leopard 2AV.
1977: M60A1 RISE.
1978: T-80B. M60A3.
1979: T-72A. Leopard 2. Merkava I - MBT, Israel. M60A3 TTS. Kahlid.
1980: T-72M. M1. Type 80 - MBT, China.
1981: T-72M1. T-80B. OF-40 - MBT, Italy. M1 Abrams. Vickers Mk 3. Type 69 MBT (w/100mm smooth), China.
1982: T-80A. AMX-30B2.
1983: Leopard 2A1. Challenger I. T-62D & T-62D-1 & T-62M. AMX-40 (proto), France. Merkava 2.
1984: IPM1. Leopard 2A3. Ariete - MBT, Italy. Engesa EE-T1 MBT Osório(proto), Brazil. Chieftain Mk 9. 1985: T-64BV/BVK. T-72B. T-80BV. M1A1. Leopard 2A4. Type 85-II - MBT, China.
1986: T-80U (K5). Leopard 1A5. Type 88 - MBT, South Korea
1987: T-72S. T-80UD. M-84A.
1988: M1A1HA. Type 80/88 MBT, China. Challenger 2. Type 85/105mm, China.
1989: Merkava Mk. 3
1990:
1991: M1A2
1992:LeClerc. Type 90 - MBT, Japan. T-72BM. T-90, Russia.
1994: Challenger 2 - MBT, Britain. PT-91 Twardy - MBT, Poland
1995: IMPROVED LEOPARD 2 - LEOPARD 2 A5 KWS II. M95 Degman - MBT, Croatia..
1996: Arjun - MBT, India. T-90S, Russia
1997: Type 96 MBT, China
1999: T-80UE. Zulfiqar - MBT, Iran. T-90A, Russia.
2000: Al Khalid (MBT 2000) - Pakistan.
2001: Leopard 2 A6.
2002: Merkava Mk. 4. ZTZ99 MBT, China.
Cheers, Rob :) :)
Good list! 8)
Now someone stop FNS and Ian from drooling! =P~ :-t =; X_X ;D
Too late! Lifebelt over here, quick! ;)
Ooops! Has anyone got a tissue? :-[ :-[
Good list Leon but the tracked Rapier didn't come into service till after the Falklands war
It was first delivered to 22 Air Defence Regiment in Napier Bks Dortmund in 1983.
Might be an idea to concentrate on the British Falklands and Cold War ranges
To try and round these off as you already have the infantry
The Soviet infantry with possibly Bmp1 and BTR60/70 could also be done at this time, you already have T55 so this would quickly build up a Cold War force.
Regards
Sean
Drool FSN!
Quote from: Leon on 07 January 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Korea
M26 Pershing
M47
Nice, really nice. But still missing the M40 155mm HMC, M41 Walker-Bulldog and M4A3E8 I need for my planned classic 50's B-movie sci-fi action.
Cheers, Martyn
Quote from: fsn on 08 January 2015, 09:20:14 PM
Nope. But, just as messy.
Its off to the bathroom with his laminated vanguards again ! X_X X_X
Great list and looking forward to the post war.
Shame no T35.
W
That list is missing the French AMX-10RC and the ERC-90 (though the latter is arguably not a tank). No modern French list can operate without those two vehicles, who are by far more important (and more utilized) than the (paperweight) LeClerc.
I should have made it clear in the original post, this thread is vehicles that Mart will be working on for the next couple of years. We also have another vehicle designer who is mainly working on the Arab-Israeli stuff, so I'll get another list added for his items soon.
8)
Dave here
Just production moulded moulded JS3 and the AMX 13 with 75mm or 90mm barrells next will be the falklands aa guns followed by Italians for SCW. Just recieved master for the deacon for desert fans, doing two sherman hulls to cover post war sherman variants - these masters are based around 67 arab israeli war ( I already have three field/at guns done). Vehicles take the longest to do, infantry to support these can be done very quickly, hence the concentration on the vehicles.
Dave
Good news. Which suspension on the Shermans - HVSS I hope - then usable for WWII and Korea as well, with the relevent turrets. Adds 4-5 models to the range.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 13 January 2015, 10:04:20 AM
Good news. Which suspension on the Shermans - HVSS I hope - then usable for WWII and Korea as well, with the relevent turrets. Adds 4-5 models to the range.
IanS
Hi Ian
I'm doing both hull types for the suspension.
Dave
Quote from: Sean67 on 08 January 2015, 09:19:01 AM
Good list Leon but the tracked Rapier didn't come into service till after the Falklands war
It was first delivered to 22 Air Defence Regiment in Napier Bks Dortmund in 1983.
Might be an idea to concentrate on the British Falklands and Cold War ranges
To try and round these off as you already have the infantry
The Soviet infantry with possibly Bmp1 and BTR60/70 could also be done at this time, you already have T55 so this would quickly build up a Cold War force.
Regards
Sean
He doesn't know it yet but techno will be doing the infantry :D
Dave
Think he might do now Dave! ;D
What don't I know? ;)
I'll just grow another pair of arms then. ;D ;D ;D
Looking forward to doing those. :)
Cheers - Phil
Sleep and time off is over rated Techno
Your here to make stuff for us Gamers not to have Family time off or Holidays.
Regards
Sean
The Riverine stuff for Vietnam will definately tempt me... a project for 2017. Now thats forward planning ;)
Quote from: Techno on 13 January 2015, 01:38:47 PM
What don't I know? ;)
I'll just grow another pair of arms then. ;D ;D ;D
Looking forward to doing those. :)
Cheers - Phil
Oh stop complaining...You will want to be paid next :o
Quote from: Techno on 13 January 2015, 01:38:47 PM
I'll just grow another pair of arms then. ;D ;D ;D
How many will that make?
Six !
Trouble is they tend get in the way of each other, or start fighting as to who gets to use the favourite wax 5.
So, in truth, it doesn't really help. :(
Still only got the one pair of eyes, so it's all a bit pointless really. :-<
Cheers - Phil.
I've just updated the original post to include the vehicles coming from our other vehicle designer:
M4A2 75mm.
M4A2 +AMX turret.
M4A3(75)W.
M4A3(76)W.
M4A3(75)W hvss.
M4A3(76)W hvss.
M4A3(105).
M4A1(75) &(76)W.
M50 Israeli.
M51 Israeli.
8)
No pint to the M4A2 with AMX turret - only 10? (certainly no more than 20) were converted. Unless of course you are going to release an AMX-13.....
IanS
Quote from: Leon on 17 January 2015, 02:05:12 AM
I've just updated the original post to include the vehicles coming from our other vehicle designer:
M4A2 75mm.
M4A2 +AMX turret.
M4A3(75)W.
M4A3(76)W.
M4A3(75)W hvss.
M4A3(76)W hvss.
M4A3(105).
M4A1(75) &(76)W.
M50 Israeli.
M51 Israeli.
8)
Looking good. 8)
Quote from: ianrs54 on 17 January 2015, 08:55:49 AM
Unless of course you are going to release an AMX-13.....
;)
Still no Minerva then?
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 17 January 2015, 05:27:19 PM
Still no Minerva then?
The Belgian WW1 one? There aren't any more WW1 vehicles planned for the next year or so, but we'll be getting back to that period as we approach the 1917-1918 centenaries.
Quote from: Nosher on 13 January 2015, 06:09:53 PM
The Riverine stuff for Vietnam will definately tempt me... a project for 2017. Now thats forward planning ;)
Ditto.
Hmmmm ... riverine craft ... helicopters ... but ... all those trees!
That's the problem with Viet Nam - the terrain - but it's very tempting.
The real problem is that it's the one place in SE Asia where they know how to make good bread, but you can't find decent cheese or ham to put in your baguette.
The other real problem is that it's frightening to pay a taxi driver a million of any currency for showing you around for the afternoon.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 January 2015, 01:56:35 AM
The real problem is that it's the one place in SE Asia where they know how to make good bread, but you can't find decent cheese or ham to put in your baguette.
The other real problem is that it's frightening to pay a taxi driver a million of any currency for showing you around for the afternoon.
Well, pounds, dollars or euros are out, for a start..... :o :o :o
Vietnam riverine. Excellent. Always fancied taking this on. Looking forward to this range. Better get started on building my Mekong Delta terrain ASAP.
Move the T-62, BTR-60 series and Soviet modern infantry to the top of the list! I need a new motorized rifle regiment for CWC.
Welcome the to Forum, Mr Steel.
I must agree with your sentiments. Much rather Soviet armour than anthropomorphic ursines, but I suspect both will be behind the League of Ausberg dung gatherers.
Quote from: fsn on 21 January 2015, 06:15:11 PM
Welcome the to Forum, Mr Steel.
I must agree with your sentiments. Much rather Soviet armour than anthropomorphic ursines, but I suspect both will be behind the League of Ausberg dung gatherers.
Please you are upsetting me, I won't send you a signed photo :(
Dave
Thanks, FSN. I was a member here for several years but mostly just lurked. When I tried posting for the 1st time in a couple years, my membership and old posts seem to have disappeared. But I am now back in political favor, so I can bug Leon for more moderns.
Hello again thenCold Steel! :D
Quote from: Cold Steel on 21 January 2015, 11:29:03 PM
When I tried posting for the 1st time in a couple years, my membership and old posts seem to have disappeared. But I am now back in political favor, so I can bug Leon for more moderns.
That's odd, can you let me know your previous username and I can have a look in the Admin and see what happened to it?
Leon, I have used the same used id for over 10 years. Previously, I had posted a couple times about the Korean War Chinese.
Quote from: Cold Steel on 22 January 2015, 12:03:36 AM
Leon, I have used the same used id for over 10 years. Previously, I had posted a couple times about the Korean War Chinese.
Thanks for the info, I've had a dig about and I can't find any other history on the Cold Steel id, so I'm not sure what's happened there. If you ever stumble over your previous posts, let me know and I can have another look.
8)
Welcome back, Cold Steel !
Cheers - Phil
After this time, cold and rusty!
Nice to see someone else with right ideas Cold Steel.
ianS
For Vietnam an AH1-Cobra would be handy
Excited much 8)
Especially the riverine stuff....
I agree with some of the previous postings, e.g. the need for more modern Russian/Soviet armor releases, as well as infantry.
Having the following would permit them to go up against the US equipment already produced by Pendraken, now, e.g. the M48, M113, etc.
So, I'd like to see the BRDM-2, and BRDM w/ATGMs, BMP-1, BTR-60PB, T-62, and T-64 produced, along with troops, ASAP. That'll permit fielding forces for the 1960s - 1980s, and beyond, in some cases.
The Soviets, and a lot of their allies used the T-55 with the BMPs, BTR-60s, and BRDMs through the end of the Cold War. Apparently, they preferred it over the more expensive T-62. BMP-2s were pretty rare, at least in the early 1980s (only being fielded in decent numbers around the mid-1980s).
US troops need the M114, and M151 Mutt for Armored Cav units, and other orgs, to go with the planned Sheridans, M60A1s, and with the current M48s and M113s/M125s (M106s) available now. A TOW launcher (M150) for the M113 would be nice as well, and with the later M901 variant, when you have the time.
The M41 tank would be nice too, since it was fielded by the US, Germany, Denmark, Norway, and I suspect others too. It was used in some recon units, and as a light tanks in other forces. It was also used in Vietnam, so works well with the other Vietnam-era troops and equipment already available, now.
Bundeswehr need the Spz Kurz and early HS-30 IFV (forerunner to the Marder) to oppose the 1960s era Soviets and Warsaw Pact units. The HS-30's hull can be used to produce a JgPz Rakete with SS-11. Of course, the Leopard 1, Marder, and JgPz Kanone and later Rakete variants with HOT, etc. would be nice too (the Kanone and Raketes were built on the Marder hull). Luchs, for the recon forces, and infantry, of course, as well as a 1.5 ton Unimog truck for the German infantry.
Chieftian V, and FV432s would be nice to go with the other available British kit, for the Cold War in Europe. With just these two vehicles, the BAOR is reasonably well equipped, since a lot of other armor for the British has been produced by Pendraken, already. Of course, I'll be wanting the FV-438 Swingfire too (minor FV432 conversion, I suspect).
Perhaps, since only a handful of vehicles are needed to permit that, they could be produced at about the same time as the more up to date Russian/Soviet armor. Of course, the M60A1 would almost get us through the end of the Cold War, too, when fielded with the present M113s, so that should be near the front of the queue too, in my opinion.
Looking forward to new releases, soon.
Quote from: Mako on 30 January 2015, 05:44:12 PM
I agree with some of the previous postings, e.g. the need for more modern Russian/Soviet armor releases, as well as infantry.
Having the following would permit them to go up against the US equipment already produced by Pendraken, now, e.g. the M48, M113, etc.
So, I'd like to see the BRDM-2, and BRDM w/ATGMs, BMP-1, BTR-60PB, T-62, and T-64 produced, along with troops, ASAP. That'll permit fielding forces for the 1960s - 1980s, and beyond, in some cases.
The Soviets, and a lot of their allies used the T-55 with the BMPs, BTR-60s, and BRDMs through the end of the Cold War. Apparently, they preferred it over the more expensive T-62. BMP-2s were pretty rare, at least in the early 1980s (only being fielded in decent numbers around the mid-1980s).
US troops need the M114, and M151 Mutt for Armored Cav units, and other orgs, to go with the planned Sheridans, M60A1s, and with the current M48s and M113s/M125s (M106s) available now. A TOW launcher (M150) for the M113 would be nice as well, and with the later M901 variant, when you have the time.
The M41 tank would be nice too, since it was fielded by the US, Germany, Denmark, Norway, and I suspect others too. It was used in some recon units, and as a light tanks in other forces. It was also used in Vietnam, so works well with the other Vietnam-era troops and equipment already available, now.
Bundeswehr need the Spz Kurz and early HS-30 IFV (forerunner to the Marder) to oppose the 1960s era Soviets and Warsaw Pact units. The HS-30's hull can be used to produce a JgPz Rakete with SS-11. Of course, the Leopard 1, Marder, and JgPz Kanone and later Rakete variants with HOT, etc. would be nice too (the Kanone and Raketes were built on the Marder hull). Luchs, for the recon forces, and infantry, of course, as well as a 1.5 ton Unimog truck for the German infantry.
Chieftian V, and FV432s would be nice to go with the other available British kit, for the Cold War in Europe. With just these two vehicles, the BAOR is reasonably well equipped, since a lot of other armor for the British has been produced by Pendraken, already. Of course, I'll be wanting the FV-438 Swingfire too (minor FV432 conversion, I suspect).
Perhaps, since only a handful of vehicles are needed to permit that, they could be produced at about the same time as the more up to date Russian/Soviet armor. Of course, the M60A1 would almost get us through the end of the Cold War, too, when fielded with the present M113s, so that should be near the front of the queue too, in my opinion.
Looking forward to new releases, soon.
I'm following the threads closely to look at what is needed, please keep posting :D
Dave
Hang on chaps! This could be a trap!
This is the Darker Lord, whose guile is legendary and whose capriciousness had been the stuff of tales best spoken in hushed tones when the night is dark, and the moon is hidden. This being of another dimension cannot be trusted. He will take our words and twist them for his own cynical amusement. The Dark Lord begs him daily to release the full set of Aztecs, and yet with a careless laugh he tosses the masters back into his ebon chest - adorned with the screaming skulls of those who displeased him. Even the tears of Milday cannot move the rock that is his heart.
We, the flies under the Pendraken horse's tail, must best the Darker Lord with even more cunning that a bag of foxes. We must outwit his monstrous intelligence, and best him in the mind games in which he excels. Above all, he must not be aware of our plans. We must communicate in secret ways, using only trusted comrades. Make sure you speak out the side of your mouth, and try not to move your lips as you type.
I have a suggestion. One of us should present the Darker Lord with a choice that seems to come from us all. He will see this and his great chuckle muscle will bob up and down, such will be his mirth. He will take great delight in doing the opposite of what we want.
I humbly volunteer to be the one to face he whose word can split continents. I shall place myself in his sight, and if this should mean my utter destruction (or expulsion from the forum), then so be it. I have found great friends in this forum and I ask only that you remember me. Perhaps a "Nobby Day" on my birthday, when everyone is rude about Techno. I'd like that. And if you could pass all the derision that I receive to Westmarcher, then that would make me happy.
Here goes.
Oh great Darker One, whose knowledge of the space-time continuum and how to warp it could get him the rose bowl on Mastermind, ... Oh, by the way, ignore everything that I wrote in this post before this paragraph ... whose footsteps could topple even magnetic based figures, who makes the world with his mighty casting machine, whose appearance in Playgirl in 1978 is still talked about, we, the dust beneath your feet, the contents of your handkerchief, the ... oooh I feel a bit queasy have had congress and spoke between ourselves. We hear your demand and submit to your generosity and we have but one request. This is our one request of your magnificence and we shall not disturb you with other petty wishes, which to you are like the squeaking of squirrels (grey, not even the far cuter red), until you have seen to present to us your beneficence.
So, Mighty One, please grant us THE CENTURION BRIDGELAYER.
Quote from: fsn on 15 February 2015, 04:34:26 PM
Above all, he must not be aware of our plans. We must communicate in secret ways, using only trusted comrades. Make sure you speak out the side of your mouth, and try not to move your lips as you type.
Ummmm......
Greetings
Mako's suggestions
(a) to permit 1960s to 80s and sometimes beyond
BRDM-2 - agreed
BRDM w/ATGMs - agreed (Sagger esp for Mid East, Swatter/Spandrel)
BMP-1 - priority as use for Mid East - not sure at this scale what changes one would make for the -1P with AT-4
BTR-60PB - agreed
T-62 - agreed priority for Mid East as well: not sure which model would be best
T-64 - question whether this, the T-72 or T-80 is a better bet, though the latter in particular is relevant to the end of the period Mako refers to.
[Soviet] troops - absolutely: to do this right would need riflemen, RPD/RPK LMG, RPG-7 or 16 etc, SA-7 or similar, SVD sniper rifle, officer, radio operator, probably PK MG, possibly AGL.
BMP-2 in mid 80s often mixed wit BMP-1 in formations (in separate companies). Definitely a secondary priorty I would think.
I'd assume that ZSU-23(4) and SP artillery more likely to be off-board.
I have fewer views on NATO kit.
Regards
Edward
Well my cunning plan and the forum unity lasted for 29 minutes. :-\
Quote from: fsn on 15 February 2015, 05:14:52 PM
Well my cunning plan and the forum unity lasted for 29 minutes. :-\
Better than normal I would have thought
Quote from: Fenton on 15 February 2015, 05:19:21 PM
Better than normal I would have thought
;D ;D ;D
By a factor of 29 :D
Not a factor...
Quote from: fsn on 15 February 2015, 05:14:52 PM
Well my cunning plan and the forum unity lasted for 29 minutes. :-\
You really thought we were going to let fsn go for a Cent bridgelayer!?
Edward
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 15 February 2015, 05:03:18 PM
T-64 - question whether this, the T-72 or T-80 is a better bet,
I'd assume that ZSU-23(4) and SP artillery more likely to be off-board.
T64 is not well understood. Its existence was even doubted until spies photographed it in East Germany. It was the more sophisticated stable mate of the T72. It was never offered for export, only the cheap basic T72. It equipped the best Soviet formations and would have been a surprise if the cold war went hot in the late 70's. The Warsaw Pact allies got T55s and T72s.
Models would have been T64A in the 70's and T64B in the 80's. Try this thread to show how they link together. http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=193a0b9abe245d616bb832f6a11c6a89&showtopic=14200 (http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=193a0b9abe245d616bb832f6a11c6a89&showtopic=14200) Its quite old now so some of the earlier images have gone but the information is pure gold.
ZSU23(4) were found in the frontline in Afganistan, used as convoy protection to shoot up into the mountains.
Additions to the Brits not mentioned that would be needed; FV432 mortar vehicle, Sultan command vehicle. If a Chieftain is made, please make sure you do some Romor armour with it as an option for the 80's stillbrew upgrade.
The Germans with their early Leopard 2s and the US with early 105mm Abrams were available in the late 70s.
Cheers, Rob :) :)
Leopard 1 does Belgium and Danemark proud too...
Quote from: mad lemmey on 15 February 2015, 10:48:12 PM
Leopard 1 does Belgium and Danemark proud too...
A propos. I stayed with a Danish family for 2 weeks in 1969. One of the sons was doing his national service with tank battalion/regiment. Loved the Centurion but was really excited about the fact they were to be equipped with Leopards.
Quote from: Rob on 15 February 2015, 07:16:45 PM
T64 is not well understood. Its existence was even doubted until spies photographed it in East Germany. It was the more sophisticated stable mate of the T72. It was never offered for export, only the cheap basic T72. It equipped the best Soviet formations and would have been a surprise if the cold war went hot in the late 70's. The Warsaw Pact allies got T55s and T72s.
Models would have been T64A in the 70's and T64B in the 80's. Try this thread to show how they link together. http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=193a0b9abe245d616bb832f6a11c6a89&showtopic=14200 (http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=193a0b9abe245d616bb832f6a11c6a89&showtopic=14200) Its quite old now so some of the earlier images have gone but the information is pure gold.
ZSU23(4) were found in the frontline in Afganistan, used as convoy protection to shoot up into the mountains.
Additions to the Brits not mentioned that would be needed; FV432 mortar vehicle, Sultan command vehicle. If a Chieftain is made, please make sure you do some Romor armour with it as an option for the 80's stillbrew upgrade.
The Germans with their early Leopard 2s and the US with early 105mm Abrams were available in the late 70s.
Cheers, Rob :) :)
Not only was the T64 much more sophisticated than the T72 it was also much more expensive to build, which is why relatively few were constructed. They were issued to the divisions in East Germany and remained on their strength until the divisions were disbanded in 1989.
So, Mighty One, please grant us THE CENTURION BRIDGELAYER. B)
Dave
Quote from: mad lemmey on 15 February 2015, 10:48:12 PM
Leopard 1 does Belgium and Danemark proud too...
Well, Centurion, Chaffee, AMX-13... So Leopard 1 (and Leopard 2) would make good additions if you want to build a Dutch cold war force. You can also use the M113, and the Argentinians would make good infantry, I think?
On the other hand, those Soviet tanks and APC's would be more useful. And the infantry even more so.
Quote from: Dave on 16 February 2015, 06:53:07 PM
So, Mighty One, please grant us THE CENTURION BRIDGELAYER. B) Dave
That'll please Nobby. ;)
Cheers - Phil
I'm so excited! Spent the evening in ... contemplation, and couldn't sleep at all!
Oh...Dave....Look what you've done, now ! X_X
Cheers - Phil
This extravagant list of vehicles can only delay and retard the development of a range of armoured and unarmoured werewolves, and risk making them rush jobs when they come.
I mean how many vehicles can you need? You have dozens already, while other people are dying daily for the lack of a single lycanthrope. Is there no justice?
Or, indeed, what about some more interesting stuff?
i'm trying to think what could be more interesting than armoured werewolves but i'm drawing a blank ;)
Armoured bears? ;D
Quote from: fsn on 17 February 2015, 08:09:42 AM
I'm so excited! Spent the evening in ... contemplation, and couldn't sleep at all!
Have you tried bromide?
Quote from: mad lemmey on 18 February 2015, 08:16:56 AM
Armoured bears? ;D
Absolutely - I assume all the vehicles of 3rd Panzer Division will be done - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armored-Bears-German-Panzer-Division-ebook/dp/B00BOT5ZUG/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424254121&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=3rd+panzer+armoured+bears
Edward
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 February 2015, 01:13:06 AM
Or, indeed, what about some more interesting stuff?
Oh no NOT AGAIN......
IanS ;)
QuoteAbsolutely - I assume all the vehicles of 3rd Panzer Division will be done - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armored-Bears-German-Panzer-Division-ebook/dp/B00BOT5ZUG/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424254121&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=3rd+panzer+armoured+bears
A cruel trick! :)
Centurion bridgelayer?
Can't say I remember ever seeing one but I'm sure they must have existed...I remember Chieftain bridgelayers, but to make one of those you'd need to make a Chieftain MBT first...Mk2XY please!
The major external difference between the Mk2's and the Mk5's is the NBC pack on the back of the turret.
You people just lust after anything with an exhaust pipe. Why can't you be normal and lust after miniature metal lycanthropes?
Quote from: Dunnadd on 25 February 2015, 08:42:05 PM
You people just lust after anything with an exhaust pipe. Why can't you be normal and lust after miniature metal lycanthropes?
Or Aztecs...
exactly. No, wait, i mean werewolves.
Quote from: getagrip on 25 February 2015, 08:58:36 PM
Or Aztecs...
NO NO NO THE "A" WORD.
Leon - Bar this man immediately BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH WIBBBBBBBBBBBBLE
IanS :D
Just out of interest; what would you do with the aztecs should a range be produced?
I'm not in the know in regard opposing forces miniatures, or rules, for aztecs, so was just curious.
Er hem. Actually, this is the vehicle thread I've just noticed. So I'll find out another time.
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 26 February 2015, 10:51:39 AM
Just out of interest; what would you do with the aztecs should a range be produced?
I'm not in the know in regard opposing forces miniatures, or rules, for aztecs, so was just curious.
Er hem. Actually, this is the vehicle thread I've just noticed. So I'll find out another time.
I want to use them as opposition for Lizard men.
Quote from: getagrip on 26 February 2015, 11:05:00 AM
I want to use them as opposition for Lizard men.
Opposition? More like an appetiser...
Quote from: nikharwood on 26 February 2015, 05:42:49 PM
Opposition? More like an appetiser...
;D
Yeah, the Warmaster Lizards are a bit tough but easy to break. :)
Any chance the Duster could be a base for a M-41A3 Walker Bulldog? It was used in Korea and most importantly workhorse of the South Vietnamese tank corps...
Quote from: Leon on 07 January 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Vietnam
Armoured Truck
Commando AC
Vietnam Riverine
PBR MKII
Monitor
ATC
Junks and various Boats
Modern American
M60 variants
Duster
Sheridan
M2/M3 Bradley
Artillery
M108,M109,M110
Hi Risaldar Singh
M41 is just been scaled and will be on the production bench soon along with M26 and M551 after I finish 3 I am working on 2 are a day away from a photo shoot and then in the post to the Great ones :D :D :D
Hope you will like them
Most excellent news! Put me down for a platoon. At least. :-)
Quote from: mart678 on 02 March 2015, 02:29:59 PM
Hi Risaldar Singh
M41 is just been scaled and will be on the production bench soon along with M26 and M551 after I finish 3 I am working on 2 are a day away from a photo shoot and then in the post to the Great ones :D :D :D
Hope you will like them
Quote from: Dunnadd on 25 February 2015, 08:42:05 PM
You people just lust after anything with an exhaust pipe. Why can't you be normal and lust after miniature metal lycanthropes?
Does anyone remember the comic strip "Tina Tailpipe" in the bike magazine - I think it was called Back Street Heroes.
I thought it was Superbike, though I'm not a bike fan and just read the mags while waiting to go for a beer or three with someone who was.
Bikes, tanks, trucks - ain't no wheels on a werewolf, nor an armoured gnoll for that matter.
Quote from: Dunnadd on 05 March 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Bikes, tanks, trucks - ain't no wheels on a werewolf, nor an armoured gnoll for that matter.
It would appear this gentleman needs a dose of FSN's pills.....
IanS
Do they help you achieve better focus on requesting sculpting and casting of lupine lycanthrope miniatures?
No they remove the stupid fixation - you will be after Mezzo Americans and 50's British tanks next.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 March 2015, 04:37:06 PM
No they remove the stupid fixation - you will be after Mezzo Americans and 50's British tanks next.
IanS
And what's wrong with that?
QuoteNo they remove the stupid fixation - you will be after Mezzo Americans and 50's British tanks next.
What? you're saying meso-Americans couldn't operate 1950s British tanks? Racist! ;)
With a Swedish Pbv 302 APC, that little Scandinavian country could fend off the Soviet/WarPac hordes with a combined force of armor, since you already produce several Centurion variants that they used for the majority of the Cold War, as well as the BV 206 too.
Coming soon :D :D :D :D
CONQUEROR!!!!
(http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Conqueror_Tank.JPG)
>:< >:< >:< >:<
FSN, look at what it's sitting on (Numpty)!
It's a Centurion Bridgelayer!!!!
Please Sir, may I have one some , please?
Cannot believe you missed that!
I thought it was a display base. :-[
I'm now worried about you FSN, having missed the bridgelayer. Time to go to SpecSavers ;) :D?
Just don't do what I did - drop your new specs on the driveway and then reverse over them. :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Hertsblue on 13 March 2015, 09:03:23 AM
Just don't do what I did - drop your new specs on the driveway and then reverse over them. :'( :'( :'(
Didn't you see them there?
Ah :-[
Quote from: fsn on 12 March 2015, 08:46:02 PM
I thought it was a display base. :-[
Did you read the tease of PART of the to do list :D
Dave
Dave - we only read our own posts, since most of the rest are utterly meaningless, I mean demands for lycanthropes or obscure chocolate bars ?
IanS >:( >:( :P
At least we've explained why my painting is so bad. Most of it is done by touch.
I do though, have one question. Whenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhen?
Quote from: fsn on 13 March 2015, 05:28:46 PM
I do though, have one question. Whenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhen?
Oh No !....... X_X
Here we go again !
Nobby's getting overexcited ! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Please don't take too long, I can't live with another six months of Nobby whining about it =)
Quote from: fsn on 13 March 2015, 05:28:46 PM
At least we've explained why my painting is so bad. Most of it is done by touch
How can you paint without touching the model?
Quote from: Fenton on 13 March 2015, 07:10:52 PM
How can you paint without touching the model?
Show him the white one Nobby ;)
Quote from: getagrip on 13 March 2015, 07:24:32 PM
Show him the white one Nobby ;)
Now I'm just scared
Is it there yet? Is it? Is it?
Having said that, I'm still waiting for my AVRE's. ;D ;D ;D
Since Conquerors and Centurion Bridgelayers look so similar they can easily be confused, you could just use the same figure for both, and cut down the massive log-jam of vehicles which are holding up the production of werewolves?
Quote from: Dunnadd on 13 March 2015, 11:22:06 PM
Since Conquerors and Centurion Bridgelayers look so similar they can easily be confused, you could just use the same figure for both, and cut down the massive log-jam of vehicles which are holding up the production of werewolves?
I wonder why 10 kinds of Sherman are necessary when other ranges remain incomplete.
Quote from: John Cook on 14 March 2015, 11:57:33 AM
I wonder why 10 kinds of Sherman are necessary when other ranges remain incomplete.
Just cos :D
Quote from: John Cook on 14 March 2015, 11:57:33 AM
I wonder why 10 kinds of Sherman are necessary when other ranges remain incomplete.
I hate to ask ... but are you thinking of a specific range?
Just saying but the German and American moderns are definitely an order. :D
Hi Sebigoss79
Modern American armour will be finished shortly I will put some pictures of what is 100% complete this weekend but I will not send them to Dave & Leon until they are all done SOON
Martin
Quote from: mart678 on 07 January 2016, 11:58:34 AMModern American armour will be finished shortly I will put some pictures of what is 100% complete this weekend
Tick, tock, tick, tock, roll on the weekend, we'll see some awesome vehicles : )
Then we just gotta rely on Leon actually remembering to sort them out :)
is it time yet ? .....
Can't wait to see all the WW2 Japanese armour rolling out of the moulds!
;D ;D
Maybe I should collect for 1919 and just have one British-built Mk IV, six Mark A Whippets and thirteen French-built Renault FTs. It would probably work well for games up to 1925 m/
Apologies if this has been answered before but just want to clarify after checking through the various posts on new modern armour. I am I correct in thinking the new modern armour range is to cover the Cold War period up to mid to late 80's only?
or will it be expanded in the future to cover current/near future?
Adrian
Quote from: Gunhit on 23 February 2016, 09:33:46 PM
Apologies if this has been answered before but just want to clarify after checking through the various posts on new modern armour. I am I correct in thinking the new modern armour range is to cover the Cold War period up to mid to late 80's only?
or will it be expanded in the future to cover current/near future?
The short-to-mid term plan is everything from 1946 upto the 80's at the moment, basically covering what's in the Cold War Commander rules. Beyond that we will be moving into more current conflicts, but that would very much be a long-term project.
Thanks Leon for the quick response.
My brother and a small band of players are looking at Cold War Moderns as their next gaming period, so will start dropping some heavy hints (rather than 6mm/15mm). I am personally interested in 10mm current moderns as I am planning a Near Future/Sci fi project. Any news of infantry yet for this period?
Adrian
Quote from: Gunhit on 24 February 2016, 12:07:11 AM
I am personally interested in 10mm current moderns as I am planning a Near Future/Sci fi project. Any news of infantry yet for this period?
Which ones, the Near Future/Sci-Fi infantry? Those would be a long way away currently, sometime towards the end of 2017 I'd think ready for the revised FWC rules. If you mean current/modern infantry, those are further down the line so we're looking at several years. If you mean the post-war/Cold War infantry, those will be started in the next 3 months hopefully, once Techno has finished with the Warband ranges. We've not decided where to start just yet, so we might look at offering the decision up on here maybe...
Thanks Leon much appreciated. It was the Cold war infantry really but thanks for the update on the others.