Pendraken Miniatures Forum

Hi All,

I am not sure how to base up my Ottoman cavalry :-\

The horses come in a galloping and standing pose and I am not sure if they work together on a base but I also like variety on bases :-/

There are 5 Squadrons each of 3 stands with 2 figures per stand.

I have 11 galloping figures, 4 Officers (galloping) and 15 standing figures.

I have suggested three possible options above but am sure there are others

Here are some quick pictures that may help demonstrate the question

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/Sinai%201917%20project/image_zpsd8a5755d.jpg)

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/Sinai%201917%20project/image_zpse15576b6.jpg)

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/Sinai%201917%20project/image_zps9170f2b1.jpg)

This post of Michael's also shows the three poses clearly in bare metal, http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6719.msg68845.html#msg68845 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6719.msg68845.html#msg68845)

Keep them separate.

Done.
Cheers - Phil

For these I think I would stick with the same pose on a single base - which is different to what I thought for the infantry - so it does depend on the figures in question.

Whether you mix bases between units or not, I'm not sure it matters too much.

Keep them separate. It seems odd that two such very different poses are supplied in the same pack. Two different galloping or two different walking would have been better.

I would keep them separate.

Over 150 votes and a massive 7 votes ;)

The more mathematically astue of you will have realised that I can't completely avoid mixed bases :(
15 standing and 15 (11+4) galloping horses means at least one mixed base

Based on the feedback and votes so far I am looking at two galloping squadrons (6 figures each), two standing squadrons (6 figures each), and a half and half squadron.

This squadron will have one galloping and one standing base plus a base with an Officer (galloping) and a standing figure. This means half the squadron will be galloping and the other half standing.

Quote from: paulr on 29 December 2014, 01:33:38 AM
Over 150 votes and a massive 7 votes ;)

Assuming your mind was thinking "Over 150 views" while your fingers were mischievously typing "Over 150 votes", I account for 12 of the views but only one of the votes. If others are in and out of the topic in similar fashion you may only be missing half a dozen votes!

Opps, I'm glad FK is away. Yes I did indeed mean 150 views :-[ ;D

I was expecting some multiple views,  but obviously not enough

Ive just added another view and still haven't voted  ;D

I'm sure that what happens with views, is that a lot of us keep returning when we see there is a new posting on the topic....So even if we don't post again, the number of views increases.  ...I must have popped back for a look-see at least half a dozen times.. ;) ;D

Cheers - Phil

I have also voted once but viewed four times now.

Voted once been twice

My vote means nothing; I thought you meant the heyday of Ottoman spahis. Sorry.

Oh dear, he's back.

Standing and galloping poses do look a little odd next to each other. Admittedly, horses have never been known to march in step, but in the absence of more than one galloping pose it seems the lesser of two evils to have them all galloping or all standing still.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 29 December 2014, 11:55:33 AM
My vote means nothing; I thought you meant the heyday of Ottoman spahis. Sorry.

So the 1917 in the title wasn't a clue :-\

A lot of people refer to them as Turks in this period but one of the things I have learned researching these forces is that the Ottoman Empire included a lot more than Turks :)

Does the term jet lag evoke any compassion?

No....Now go and clean the fridge out.  :D
Cheers - Phil

Thanks to those who voted  :)

Due to overwhelming demand the Ottoman cavalry have been based as...
- two galloping squadrons
- two standing squadrons
- one half and half squadron

The problem is in the original design. They were clearly designed to be mixed. After all, there's only one officer and he's on the 'galloping' horse. So are the the 'standing' horsemen meant to form a unit without an officer?

So mine are forming units as intended by the Pendraken designer. Even if the 'galloping' guys appear to be playing catch up or simply leaping ahead of the 'standing' guys.

Same goes for the Turkish infantry. Whose vote goes to having half an army's infantry in units of only one kneeling pose? With the officer standing up, looking over the top of them, of course. I tried to resolve that one and Dave and Leon have had my kneeling officer sculpt for many, many years now.

The WW1 Turks have a great variety of figures to fight but the bulk of their own forces have to be made up of 2 cavalry and 2 infantry poses that do not mix happily. The real solution is a major redesign. Doesn't have to be a vast range just a few figures that actually do the job properly.

Not to mention the one solitary, high-kicking, single member of the Arab Revolt.

I feel that the prevalent anti-Cambrian prejudice on this forum is inadequate to requirements. Tax leeks and sheep off the planet, and close a few pits, gentlemen.

What's that's To's do's wiv's di's topik's FK's ;)

Quote from: FierceKitty on 31 December 2014, 02:05:00 PM
I feel that the prevalent anti-Cambrian prejudice on this forum is inadequate to requirements. Tax leeks and sheep off the planet, and close a few pits, gentlemen.

Good grief - we agree on something.

ianS

Quote from: WeeWars on 31 December 2014, 12:34:21 PM
The problem is in the original design. They were clearly designed to be mixed. After all, there's only one officer and he's on the 'galloping' horse. So are the the 'standing' horsemen meant to form a unit without an officer?

Agreed, with 6 figures per squadron the lack of officer isn't too bad

Quote from: WeeWars on 31 December 2014, 12:34:21 PM
Not to mention the one solitary, high-kicking, single member of the Arab Revolt.

I'm planning on mixing horse and foot on the same base rather than having two of those horses together ;)

Quote from: paulr on 31 December 2014, 06:37:15 PM
Agreed, with 6 figures per squadron the lack of officer isn't too bad

I'm planning on mixing horse and foot on the same base rather than having two of those horses together ;)

Like this?:

www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost0022.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost0022.htm)

Quote from: WeeWars on 31 December 2014, 06:44:10 PM

Quote from: paulr on 31 December 2014, 06:37:15 PM
Agreed, with 6 figures per squadron the lack of officer isn't too bad

I'm planning on mixing horse and foot on the same base rather than having two of those horses together ;)

Like this?:

www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost0022.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost0022.htm)

I did say, in another thread, that your work was inspirational ;) ;D

Mine will be on 30mm square bases, same base I use for mounted or dismounted cavalry

Quote from: paulr on 31 December 2014, 11:43:25 PM
I did say, in another thread, that your work was inspirational ;) ;D

Mine will be on 30mm square bases, same base I use for mounted or dismounted cavalry

Do you not like the ITLSU idea of basing Arabs on round bases?

Quote from: WeeWars on 02 January 2015, 07:33:34 PM
Do you not like the ITLSU idea of basing Arabs on round bases?

I cut my own bases from 2mm styrene sheet, cheaper and requires less pre-planning  ;) Cutting circles is beyond me :(

A question on Arabs, while we are talking about them...

From ITLSU, "Arab tribes are a form of mob. Any number of bases may be gathered together as one unit. Equally, big Arab 'mobs' can be split with no penalty (although if the big mob had suppression points the satellite mob will also have the same number of points)."

How do you normally gather your Arabs into 'mobs' for firing. Having small 'mobs' at short range would give you lots of extra dice  :d

Obviously FK"s never experienced the "joy" in a Welsh mining town when the pit closes. I wonder if, had there been such a thing as a forum in the 30s , there would have been a merry quip about a few more synagogues being smashed up being a good thing.

I was there in Thatchler's Britain, and I've seen worse working in South African squatter camps. I know the score. And as long as they aren't important works of architecture, I'm all for wrecking places of worship, particularly those that routinely mutilate children.

My point is how come having a go at the Welsh and Scots appears to be fair game, whereas you would never contemplate the same sort of remarks about West Indians and Pakistanis, who are just as proud of their cultural heritage.

Wouldn't I just? Ask my Pakistani car-pool partner about my 9/11 jokes.

Quote from: paulr on 02 January 2015, 07:43:47 PM
I cut my own bases from 2mm styrene sheet, cheaper and requires less pre-planning  ;) Cutting circles is beyond me :(

You want one of these:

(http://www.hobbico.com/tools/hcar0230-main-lg.jpg)

or some other circle cutter:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=circular+cutter&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1075&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ch-oVMi-Ocn0UsOzg9gO&ved=0CFEQsAQ#imgdii=_ (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=circular+cutter&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1075&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ch-oVMi-Ocn0UsOzg9gO&ved=0CFEQsAQ#imgdii=_)

It's what I use to cut the steel sheet I stick to the underside of my round MDF bases.

Quote from: paulr on 02 January 2015, 07:43:47 PM
A question on Arabs, while we are talking about them...

From ITLSU, "Arab tribes are a form of mob. Any number of bases may be gathered together as one unit. Equally, big Arab 'mobs' can be split with no penalty (although if the big mob had suppression points the satellite mob will also have the same number of points)."

How do you normally gather your Arabs into 'mobs' for firing. Having small 'mobs' at short range would give you lots of extra dice  :d

The tribesmen for Dilbar (http://www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost009.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost009.htm)) were split into units of 6 bases, if I recall correctly (but my head is full of Napoleonic rules writing at the moment  :) ).

'Arabs' in the rules are designed only to be part of an army so I was very impressed that the rules as they stood could accommodate a whole army of tribesmen. I don't think you have to worry about Arab troops becoming too powerful, though, they need all the help they can get. In fact, the one thing I wanted to add to the rules was a time factor (more difficult with card driven turns) that allowed night to fall and the tribesmen to regroup wherever they wanted. There are so many desert accounts of Imperial troops waking up and wondering where the enemy had disappeared to.

Thanks Michael, marvellously helpful as always :)