Early wips of Ancient Spanish

[fred.]

Cool, great stuff Phil.

Chap at bottom right, could perhaps do with his spear a round a bit towards his shield? Its a bit hard to tell from a single angle.

[Techno]

These look great Techno.
Just as a matter of personal preference, I'd say chap on 2nd left on the middle shelf, waving javelin, could he be reposed to 'thrusting' over shield?
Never that keen on 'waving pole about' poses, unless it's a standard or something (and I'm sure the guy standing to his left would thank him for it)??

Will do Lemmey/Phobos....Teach me not to tweak a strange pose from the book !!

Cool, great stuff Phil.

Chap at bottom right, could perhaps do with his spear a round a bit towards his shield? Its a bit hard to tell from a single angle.

Yep....I'll have a play with that one Fred....Looking at that one more closely, it doesn't look quite right.....I might try to put the base of the spear just inside his leading foot, rather than behind it....Think I can get away with that without him looking as though he's likely to trip over the spear.
I'd make it a thrusting pose, if it weren't for the fact that his chum is doing that already.

Cheers - Phil.

[barbarian]

The right hand of the first of the second line seams suspect...

[Techno]

Probably because he's chucking something that's so fat compared to what it would be if it could be scaled 'properly' B..
But I'll have a check.
Cheers - Phil

[FierceKitty]

Should there be a slinger or two in this range?

[Techno]

Not sure if the plan is to get some of the 'Carthaginians' to volunteer for this duty.
Otherwise it would be the work of moments to tweak those.
Up to the man !
Cheers - Phil.

[Phobos]

New slingers for carthaginian range?

[barbarian]

I understand the problem on the hand.
If you try to take this pose, you'll see that the hand cannot be like that...

[Techno]

I've given it a tweak ..(It was as much the forearm/wrist being iffy, as it was the hand)....But I'm not convinced it looks quite right even now.....Hey Ho....
I'll give it another go on Monday.
Cheers - Phil

[Phobos]

Bottom row....Intended to be.....Celtiberian Scutarii x 2....These guys need cloaks and some plumes on the helms...plus the spears of course.
What I'm not sure about are the shapes of the shields !!
I've seen some other models that seem to have what I could describe as this 'coffin lid' shape....Others where the sides are more rounded, rather than having a defined angle on the sides.....Let me know what you all think about this !

Let the "coffin shape" ones, I love them. Personally, I suggest to use it in all the celtiberian infantry. In fact, seeing the "roman penal legionaries" on the book (Holy Book, for me) looks very similar to the celtiberian Scutarii

That coin is from Augustus era, and afaik, Augustus didn´t fight celtiberians, but astures and cantabros, galaic peoples of the north of the peninsula.

And Btw, after a population genetics research (in 2009, iirc) the nearest group related to the basques, was a group of tribes south to the Atlas.

We want more pics!

[FierceKitty]

This genome research is turning up some fascinating things. Did you known that north of the Danelaw they're overwhelmingly Scandinavian to this day, while south they're still Germanic? That even after 1, 300 years Bohemians are Celtic but Moravians Slavic? And apparently one European in three may be calling the wrong man father?

[O Dinas Powys]

Just to continue the threadjack!

By coincidence I was listening to an old "In Our Time" about just this subject the other afternoon.  Ok, so the episode is a decade old, but some of the ideas are definitely pertinent!  There was also an episode about Druids last week, haven't caught up with that one yet though.

If you're not familiar with In Our Time, it's a Radio 4 discussion program hosted by Melvin Bragg, homepage here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl
The BBC have recently made every episode recorded available, so the archives are well worth a browse.

The episode on The Celts can be accessed/downloaded from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ioth/all  dated Thu, 21 Feb 02.  Search for Celt on the page.

Druids here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iot

Cheers!

Meirion

By further coincidence, it was Hannibal on In Our Time a fortnight ago!   Key pertinent facts that I remember off the top of my head: by the latter stages for the campaign up to half Hannibals' troops were Spanish AND you're going to have to redo the elephants  

Cheers!

Meirion

[Phobos]

Redo the elephants? why?

[O Dinas Powys]

Redo the elephants? why?

In the program it was said that the majority of the Carthaginian elephants were the African forest species - especially towards the end when they were relying on untrained elephants (and Carthage is regarded as the reason for the species' extinction) - whilst the new sculpts are Asiatic elephants.

It's also a bit of a joke between Techno and myself 

There is a some of discussion about the provenance of Carthaginian war elephants in the original WIP thread.

Cheers!

Meirion

[Phobos]

I see the techno´s elephants very close to loxodonta cyclotis pics, imho.