Saxons - difference between 1866 & 1870

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

That's the effect I'm going for with mine. Base coated Azure, then highlight lighter to Cornflower/Cerulean Blue
Now here's the real question is now basing...

A Prussian Regt is (theoretically) made up of three battalions of 1032, equalling 3096 men per regiment. My 3" bases are 1 regiment with 30 figures, equating to approx 103.3 men per figure. Thus 4 per division and per commander. My Wurttenbergers and French are on the same approximate scale or regimental bases.

The Saxons in 1866 have individual Battalions of c950 men. There are battalions 4 per Brigade, 8 battalions per Division. Here are the options:
a) 4 small units of 9.5 figures = 950 men. (Tiny in Black Powder)
b) 2 medium sized units of two Battalions of 19 figures = 1900 men. (Small in Black Powder)
c) 1 large unit of 38 men = 3800 men (Large in Black Powder. Would have to order more figures, shame)!

The structure is a nightmare! Roll on 1870!
Mad Lemmey
*editted when I realised I missed the 3 out of my figure to men ratio*

[Hertsblue]

Lemmy, always bear in mind that these are paper strengths. Very few units actually acheived these figures, even at the start of a campaign. After a week or two and a couple pf actions strengths drop significantly. My Saxon battalions are pitched at about 800 men each. Austrians at about 1,000. Otherwise you can drive yourself crazy. 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Yeah of course that's why they are theoretical strengths- 
"Come on Men, you've got a 20 mile hike in full kit today!"
"Or we could stop off at the bar and knocking shop in the local village, and I'll catch you up on the way back..." 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Mollinary - you said in another thread...
"If you haven't finished the 1866 Saxons yet, I thoroughly recommend the flags produced by Baccus 6mm. I have used them for my 1870 Saxons, and they work very well for 10mm.   One sheet covers the whole army! I don't know of anyone else who makes accurate Saxon flags for this period at present." 
Thank you sir, I've got the Saxon's with cast on flags, I'm guessing I'm hand painting those, any good sources apart from Bacchus, how close in size are they to 10mm flags?
ML

[Hertsblue]

There's a reasonable line drawing in The Armies of 1866 from the Pickelhaube Press of the obverse of the flag, but the reverse is only noted as being a gold shield bearing the royal monogram and surrounded by a laurel wreath.

I too have the standard-bearer figures with the cast-on flags. They are pretty fiddly to paint. 

[cameronian]

I have the 'pole only' standard bearers for the battalions but recently bought some cast flag men for the casualty bases; I'm going to try and soften the paper flags with dilute PVA and then glue then onto the cast flag with Modellers Glue (PVA base but with some secret additive which makes it bind to ANYTHING). I'll let you know how it's going. Must say I'd prefer if Pendraken didn't have cast flags at all.

[Leon]

Must say I'd prefer if Pendraken didn't have cast flags at all.

No cast flags on any future figures, and we'll try and add pole-only options to other ranges where requested.

[cameronian]

Now THAT'S what I call service!

[mollinary]

Lemmey,

There is a great resource, and it was buying material from this particular site which got me all you could ever want to know about Saxon flags (and Prussian ones too).  Luckily, I think you can get what you want simply from looking on line. The site is German, if you follow these instructions you should get what you want.  The site is www.historischer-bilderdienst.de.     Click on the link marked Fahnen, Flaggen und Standarten.   Then you want to click on SF03 Hottenroth.  Sachsische Fahnen und Standarten.  Once in there, go to the bottom and click on
Leuchttisch.  A table of illustrations of Saxon flags should appear.  The last flag on Row 3 and the 5 flags on Row 4 , all with a green field, are the design you are looking for for 1866.  Incredibly, if you then click on the flag itself, you get a good enlargement.   I hope this should give you a good idea for painting a 10 mm scale flag. If you want to know the brigade differences, they are simple. In the four corners of the green field, on both sides, is either a Roman numeral I, II, or III in yellow, or a crown. I'll leave you to work out which brigade is which!  If you need any more details, drop me an e-mail and I'll see what I can do.

Mollinary

[mollinary]

PS.  Forgot, the Baccus flags are just a tad under 9 mm square, with an extra little bit in the middle for the pole.

Mollinary

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Wow! I'll have a proper look when I've marked these 32 maths papers I've got to do tonight!
maybe worth posting that in the resources section, maybe in a flags and banners posts!

[mollinary]

Good luck Lemmey, I gave up marking about 26 years ago, and can't say I miss it!  It is a great site, and the guy who runs it is really helpful. Most, if not all of the stuff is taken from his late father's extensive collection of original books. Given the difficulty of accessing this material, this site is an absolute gold mine. The compact discs I got with the photocopied text of the original books were very good value for money, if you are a complete flag geek - as I am!

Mollinary

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

I'v ejust had a look - that is an incredible site! Lawks! Cool! 

[cameronian]

Bother; my Saxon flags don't look like this, in fact they don't look like it at all .. damn, didn't we have this conversation years ago, I'm losing it, I really am.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

At least we have established who the four people in the world to own 10mm 1866 Saxon armies are!