Saxons - difference between 1866 & 1870

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Morning chaps!

I recently 'inherited' about an army's worth of 1866 Saxons (long story involving a lost finger and subsiquent inability to paint on my friends part).
Does anyone have a decent source for their uniforms colour scheme? I know they are different to 1870 Saxons (also on the shopping list).
I realise they were pro-Austrian, and the uniform had changed by 1870 as they came into line with the Confederation (which is what my 1870 sources allude to anyway).
Is their an Osprey for 1866 or any other useful technicolour guides?
Mad Lemmey

ps While I'm at it: Anyone know how to win Funky Kong on Mario KArt Wii?

[sunjester]

I've found this a very useful source for my mid-19th century Germans of various kinds.

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/sturm/sturm30.html

Graham

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Wowe, good site.
Thank you!

[mollinary]

Sunjester is right, it is great for the regiments it does, and is widely used in other books (such as the one below) to provide appropriate illustrations.  But for a more complete work I'd thoroughly recommend "The Armies of 1866: A Guide to the Uniforms, Weapons and Organisation of the Armies of the Seven Weeks War", by N.J Smith.   soft back A 4 size at 9.95 pounds sterling and available from Helion books.  Covers all the states involved in the war in greater or lesser detail, including Italy, and has their OOBs as well as the detail you are looking for. it was my one stop intro to this period.    The only note of caution, look elsewhere for the information on flags. The book contains material which is conjectural and inaccurate, even on things like Prussian flags.  For the Saxons, the infantry was organised in 2 divisions, each of two brigades. Each brigade contained four battalions of line infantry (each of which had the same colour facings and cap bands. The brigades had red, yellow, white and black distinctions), and one battalion of jagers.   The sixteen line battalions had one flag each, all green, with an elaborate border, and the Saxon arms on one side and a white shield with the royal monogram on the other.  These then re-appeared as the 2nd and 3rd battalion flags used by the eight regiments of 1870-71.  Hope that helps to start with.

Regards

Mollinary

[mollinary]

Oops,

Just had a thought - I am not sure whether the OOBs are in the companion volume on the campaigns - it would certainly make more sense.  That said, there is still more than enough info int eh uniforms books to make it worthwhile!

Mollinary

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Mollinary,

Thank you very much indeed, I will get that as soon as the next pay cheque arrives!
Mad Lemmey

[Leman]

I would second Mollinary on that one. The Freikorps books on the 1866 war are very useful and helped me to determine how my 1866 Saxons would be painted. Luckily you can get away with the same Saxon cavalry as 1870. For a beautiful colour illustration of a Saxon infantryman in 1866 have a look at John Mollo's Armies of the World (I think that's the title). It was published by Blandford Press back in the 60s and was an absolute must for me when I started wargaming. It was the illustrations from that book which got me hooked on the Wars of German Unification - imagine my frustration: no one made any figures, Airfix conversions was the only way to go. The book still crops up at most conventions; indeed my original copy was 'borrowed' and I was able to replace it thanks to Dave Lanchester.
DP

[Leon]

ps While I'm at it: Anyone know how to win Funky Kong on Mario KArt Wii?

You need to beat the Nintendo Staff 'expert' ghosts in Time Trial mode.

[nikharwood]

ps While I'm at it: Anyone know how to win Funky Kong on Mario KArt Wii?

You need to beat the Nintendo Staff 'expert' ghosts in Time Trial mode.

And I was going to say, "Ask my four-year-old" 

[Leon]

And I was going to say, "Ask my four-year-old" 

My eldest loves it, he's always making me play it.  I've only managed to unlock a couple of the extra characters for him though, much to his annoyance... 

[nikharwood]

I just consistently come 12th whille he romps in [inevitably] at 1st...he's now discovered the online functionality & seems to be busy embarrassing the European hardcore Mario Kart fraternity....

I'm so proud 

[Leon]

I just consistently come 12th whille he romps in [inevitably] at 1st...he's now discovered the online functionality & seems to be busy embarrassing the European hardcore Mario Kart fraternity....

I'm so proud 

 

[Hertsblue]

Oops,

Just had a thought - I am not sure whether the OOBs are in the companion volume on the campaigns - it would certainly make more sense.  That said, there is still more than enough info int eh uniforms books to make it worthwhile!

Mollinary

They are - entitled A Guide to the Seven Weeks' War also by Nigel J Smith. You can order both from Hellion - but expect to wait two or three weeks for delivery as I think they print them to order.

[Chad]

OOB's also in the official Prussian Staff History of the 1866 campaign. This is worth buying if you are also interested in the German theatre of the campaign, as opposed to just the Bohemian theatre.

Chad

[maciek]

OOB's also in the official Prussian Staff History of the 1866 campaign. This is worth buying if you are also interested in the German theatre of the campaign, as opposed to just the Bohemian theatre.

Do you mean this book:
http://books.google.pl/books?id=g0AIAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=related:UOM39015014655776#v=onepage&q&f=false

or this, about operations in the west:
http://books.google.pl/books?id=Xz8AAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=related:UOM39015014655776#v=onepage&q&f=false