'First Look' at the new League of Augsburg range!

[J.S.]

one small additon (is there a way to edit posts in this forum?can't find the button  ): the muskets look quite short, almost like carabines. I've been to the Bavarian Army Museum last week and the muskets used in the great turkish wars (which were approximately at the same time as the War of the LoA) were considerably longer.

[Peritas]

Hey Everybody


Could anybody tell me any ORBAT about this period and the composition of the regiments?


Thanks in advance

Best Regards

[maciek]

Could anybody tell me any ORBAT about this period

AUGHRIM would be good example.
I'll give below the general numbers of all arms with indication which Pendraken packs use to get them.
N.B. Infantry firearms were mixed at this era, so "mainly matchlocks" means that the majority of musketeers used matchlocks, but men armed with flintlocks could also be part of the regiment.

Jacobites

command
C-in-C: marquees St Ruhe, generals: Sheldon, Luttrell, Dorrington, Hamilton, Tessé, Sarsfield (figures unavailable)

infantry
14 000 foot in 29 battalions including 2 of Guards
all infantry battalions composed mainly of matchlockmen (LOA 5 & 6) and unarmoured pikemen (LOA 1 & 4) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)

mounted troops
6 000 men divided into:
2 500 horse incl 2 troops of Life Guards (figures unavailable)
3 500 dragoons (figures unavailable) that can fight dismounted (figures unavailable)

artillery
9 light guns (figures unavailable)


Williamites

command
C-in-C: gen Ginkel, generals: de la Forest, Tettau, Nassau-Ouwerkerk, Mackay, Tollemache, Ruvigny, Gravenmoer  (figures unavailable)

infantry
14 000 foot in 27 battalions of following nationalities:
17 English battalions composed mainly of matchlockmen (LOA 5 & 6) and unarmoured pikemen (LOA 1 & 4) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
2 Dutch battalions composed of flintlockmen (LOA 7 & 8 ) and unarmoured pikemen (LOA 1 & 4) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
5 Danish battalions composed of flintlockmen (LOA 7 & 8 ) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)
3 Huguenot battalions composed mainly of matchlockmen (LOA 5 & 6) + commands (LOA 9 & 10)

mounted troops
6 000 men divided into:
4 000 English, Dutch and Danish horse (figures unavailable)
2 000 English and Dutch dragoons (figures unavailable) that can fight dismounted (figures unavailable)

artillery
30 field guns (figures unavailable)


Hope this helps.

[J.S.]

Well i guess the ragtag bunch of scythemen is meant to be used for the Williamite Wars in Ireland.
Patience is the order of the day... i mean there's not even cavalry available for Clibs far more advanced 28mm LoA range (where the length of the muskets is correct..strange enough; maybe that's because of the 10mm moulding process). Anyways, sooner or later we'll have a range as awesome as the AWI stuff 

[maciek]

Well i guess the ragtag bunch of scythemen is meant to be used for the Williamite Wars in Ireland.

I haven't noticed the presence of scythemen on any major battlefield of this war. But I'm not an expert though.

Patience is the order of the day... i mean there's not even cavalry available for Clibs far more advanced 28mm LoA range

There's a lot 28mm LoA cavalry from other manufacturers to fill the gap.

Anyways, sooner or later we'll have a range as awesome as the AWI stuff 

Do you mean this AWI stuff, that doesn't include any of Partiot Dragoons nor mounted Legions, essential for every battle fought in the South after 1779 ... ?

[republic of tolworth]

I think the scythes are for battles like the Monmouth rebellion and such like.

I have plenty of uses for them.

[nikharwood]

Scythes and other farm implements are de rigeur in Sedgemoor (even now   )

[goat major]

theyre quite common in the 41st millennium too. apparently.

[nikharwood]

theyre quite common in the 41st millennium too. apparently.

[maciek]

OK. I can agree, that scythemen are suitable for Sedgemoor battle.

As I'm not very interested to Monmouth's rebellion, I had to refer the Wikipedia for description of action:
There was a delay while the rhine was crossed and the first men across startled a royalist patrol. A shot was fired and a horseman from the patrol galloped off to report to Feversham. Lord Grey of Warke led the rebel cavalry forward and they were engaged by the King's Regiment of Horse which alerted the rest of the royalist forces. The superior training of the regular army and their horses routed the rebel forces by outflanking them.

Augh ! It seems that again, the cavalry played the decisive role !
Cavalry, that is currently unavailable .... 

[J.S.]

Well, seems like the msytery has been solved



Maybe not the most essential troops of the period but they were there.

Do you mean this AWI stuff, that doesn't include any of Partiot Dragoons nor mounted Legions, essential for every battle fought in the South after 1779 ... ?

I think its no problem to make a simple painting conversion here..


It's seldom possible to satisfy everyone.. If the guys with the scythes hadn't been made, there'd surely be someone complaining that it's absolutely impossible to model battle xyz of theatre zyx and therefore the whole LoA league is useless.
Maybe the Pendraken guys just learned their lesson form not having released tarletoned cavalry in the first or second AWI wave 

[maciek]

It's seldom possible to satisfy everyone.. If the guys with the scythes hadn't been made, there'd surely be someone complaining that it's absolutely impossible to model battle xyz of theatre zyx and therefore the whole LoA league is useless.

I agree. Totally.
....
But for the moment, without cavalry, it's absolutely impossible to model any battle.

[clibinarium]

Scythe men are essential troop types for anyone gaming either the Monmouth Rebellion or the Irish War, which is likely for many gamers.

Cavalry is obviously essential, but I can't bring all the figures necessary to the range at the flick of a switch, especially when producing so much variation in individual packs.  A good range takes time to build, the alternative would be (as stated by Leon before) to keep everything under wraps until its all finished. There have been hitches with the cavalry dollies which have held up the AWI and LoA cavalry, but we nearly have those sorted out now.
I don't get a lot of time to work on 10mm, currently 28mm LoA cavalry are taking up most of my work hours.

On the musket length; as with the AWI the muskets look short as they have to be much thicker than in scale thickness would be  to cast in 10mm, but the "scale" length is retained (roughly from the ground to the shoulder of a man). If made any longer they'd be approaching the man's height. The exaggerations like larger than scale hands also conspire to make the muskets look small.

[goat major]

Thanks for the update Clib ! The new figures look great btw

[Techno]

On the musket length; as with the AWI the muskets look short as they have to be much thicker than in scale thickness would be  to cast in 10mm, but the "scale" length is retained (roughly from the ground to the shoulder of a man). If made any longer they'd be approaching the man's height. The exaggerations like larger than scale hands also conspire to make the muskets look small.

As Clibby says.....I'm afraid there just has to be some sort of compromise at this scale, so the little chaps can be moulded and cast successfully......The other fact to consider is that if it were possible to get them out of the mould, the weapons (whether spears/javelins/polearms or muskets/rifles/SLRs would be be so incredibly fragile; that these parts of the figures would get broken with alarming regularity.
If we made as true a scale model as possible, just imagine how thin many of them would be be just at the ankles....Snap !
It would obviously be possible (though pretty damn fiddly) to convert the weapons using finer brass rod than has to be used on the master figures.....Personally, I think doing that on large numbers of models would be soul destroying....It would drive me totally spare.... ....But it gives me an idea for just a single figure in the painting comp.

Cheers - Phil.