Border raids Anglo Scottish border

Started by Dragoon, 21 January 2023, 03:01:15 AM

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Dragoon

My spellchecker won't allow the correct word(It's like river but with an e in it.
How ever it could be early renaissance.
 
Have you any plans for this era. I believe the cattle were long horned but I'm not that sure the shop I've no idea.
 Early pistols and arquebus some mounted with breastplate and Morgan style helmet rather like a Demi-lancer but with firearms and sword.
Regards

Mike L

pierre the shy

I think the word you mean is border reivers Dragoon?

Shaggy highland cattle with horns would be useful, I'd certainly get some if they come out  :-bd

With regards to figures to portray them there are a few mounted figures already from the various Rennaissance ranges that are armoured and/or have pistols/arquebus:

EL20 Mounted arquebusier
EL22 Mounted command left hand figure - pistol? (or sword?)
ER19 Border Horse
ER34 Thomas Dacre, mounted (armoured figure)
EC20 Scots cavalry
EC21 Scots lancers

OK some are purhaps a bit of a push for border reivers but I have used plenty of figures from eariler and later ranges to portray my War of the 3 kingdoms (alias ECW) forces - e.g. highlander figures from both the Early 16th C. English/Scots and Jacobite ranges and Irish from the Elizabethan 1560-1610 range. 

You could always do some head swaps with existing figures if you wanted different style helmets?

 
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rupert

Hi the majority of border cattle in the 16th century was naturaly polled (hornless - 'mulay') small and stocky, closest relative is the galloway cattle of today (but smaller). Early descriptions describe then as black or red. Ive a description of the border cattle from 1485 (if I can remenber where it is Ill post it here) Rupert

Ithoriel

As well as the figures mentioned by Peter there are some figures in the Elizabethan range that might do.
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howayman

People have been fighting over that border for a long time.
Could use late medieval, long bow, halberd, pike, etc as well as Elizabethan figures.

Dragoon

Thanks all, I seem to be forgetting thiings including words.
It's like putting a book down then not remembering where I put it and not remembering what the title was or what I wanted it for.
However, I got the idea from a novel about feuding families in the border area quite some time ago.

I'll put it down on the forum to see if anyone can use it.
As the period is not that long after the ravages of the Black Death. So massive groups aren't available. The method of fighting is some trained men, who have been in a Lords Army but are now working for a head of family.
Cavalry, will be a mixed bag of sword and pistol lead by the family head.other mounted can be formed from the leaders group on a had hoc basis.
The idea w as to have been one to one but if you have a large number of figures it would take too long and consequently become  boring.

So I thought of a larger base to be a movement 'base' with figures mounted on round or oval bases.
The movement base to be given an attack or defence value calculated from the figure bases placed on it, or just count mounted all the same plus an additional value for the leader.
Of course it may be better to have just the movement base with figures mounted in a loose order. An oval base 6 to 10cm at its longest centre line. Usin the same for foot.
I think it could look quite impressive. A friend called my first attempt "column of mob" but with 15mm figures it did look too crowded..

Regards

Mike L

Nirnman

Flags of War have a rule set for this period (as well as producing a range of figures inc cattle and sheep all alas in 28mm) their cattle are based on the Belted Galloway(naturally polled) and Chillingham wild cattle (mostly white with short horns) breeds. Highland cattle are wrong for the Scottish Borders