Battle of Brandywine in 10mm

Started by Wonkey Donkeys, 14 September 2021, 02:36:29 PM

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Westmarcher

I've been looking out for this since seeing the trailers by both Little Wars TV and The American Battlefield Trust and enjoyed this episode. What a great advert for Pendraken AWI minis! Going by the hat worn by Washington (aka Gary Edelmann), it also highlighted that I may have been slightly over critical of the hat sizes on some of Clib's figures!   ;D

Philadelphia 1777 is one of my favourite Osprey books and, by and large, my own AWI collection is based on the uniforms of that campaign. Give or take a few days, I was at Brandywine exactly 5 years ago. In addition to the usual interest (and excitement  :-[ ) of visiting the actual locations where much of the action took place, it was also interesting to be there at the same time of year as the battle and imagine what the weather might have been like for those campaigning there. By the looks of the video, it looks as if the climate was moderately acceptable for living out in the open, just as when I was there. Looking forward to tuning into the sequels when time permits.
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Quote from: Westmarcher on 15 September 2021, 01:14:34 PM
I've been looking out for this since seeing the trailers by both Little Wars TV and The American Battlefield Trust and enjoyed this episode. What a great advert for Pendraken AWI minis! Going by the hat worn by Washington (aka Gary Edelmann), it also highlighted that I may have been slightly over critical of the hat sizes on some of Clib's figures!   ;D

Philadelphia 1777 is one of my favourite Osprey books and, by and large, my own AWI collection is based on the uniforms of that campaign. Give or take a few days, I was at Brandywine exactly 5 years ago. In addition to the usual interest (and excitement  :-[ ) of visiting the actual locations where much of the action took place, it was also interesting to be there at the same time of year as the battle and imagine what the weather might have been like for those campaigning there. By the looks of the video, it looks as if the climate was moderately acceptable for living out in the open, just as when I was there. Looking forward to tuning into the sequels when time permits.


These things are relative: Gary Adelman is several inches shorter than Little Wars Greg.

Battleback

Another great episode! Also it appears the Pendraken is the official sponsor of the rules (Live Free or Die) they created for the video.

I'm sure it will be a good move on Leon's part. The rules look fun and easy to play and 10mm is a great scale for the system.

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That was really good. I'm not normally a big fan of YouTube videos, but this was very slick, and with great figures and table
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Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 15 September 2021, 06:26:00 PM
These things are relative: Gary Adelman is several inches shorter than Little Wars Greg.

Not meant to be taken so seriously, Steve.  ;)

Of course I appreciate that the same hat on a taller man with wider shoulders would not look so large.  I was initially surprised how much shorter Gary Adelman appeared to be compared to Greg in the initial scenes, but looking at later scenes (e.g., minute 13.50 in the video), I wondered if perhaps not such a height difference after all?

Anyway, out of interest, if Gary had been born in the first half of the 18th century, he may well have been of average height at that time. Here's something I found out years ago (at last, a chance to mention it!) ("Crikey, what hell have I unleashed on the forum thanks to my response," you may say, Steve!   =) ;D ) (this is a 'cut & paste' job by the way - I am mad but not that mad  8-} ):-

According to a study by economist John Komlos and Francesco Cinnirella, in the first half of the 18th century, the average height of an English male was 165 cm (5 ft 5 in), and the average height of an Irish male was 168 cm (5 ft 6 in). The estimated mean height of English, German, and Scottish soldiers was 163.6 cm – 165.9 cm (5 ft 4.4 in – 5 ft 5.3 in) for the period as a whole, while that of Irish was 167.9 cm (5 ft 6.1 in). The average height of male slaves and convicts in North America was 171 cm (5 ft 7 in).  :-B

On the basis of North American military records, English and Irish male heights are estimated at c. 165 cm, and 168 cm respectively. These values are below those obtained from the only other sample available for the period pertaining to British and Irish men, namely those of runaway indentured and convict servants in colonial North America. At c. 164 cm, Saxon and German military heights appear to be near the bottom of the European height distribution in this period. The English were about as tall as Czechs and Northern French, but shorter than the Irish and Hungarians. A large decline in English heights is evident among the birth cohorts of 1725–1729, suggesting that the subsistence crisis of this period must have had a substantial lasting impact on the nutritional status of the cohort born during a time of nutritional deprivation.
 

[Still awake?  (:| ] This therefore suggests there might have been a lot of men marching around with "large hats." However, later in the century, Gary would have been below average height as American-born colonial soldiers of the late 1770s were on average more than 7.6 cm (3 inches) taller than their English counterparts who served in Royal Marines at the same time therefore could some of Clib's hats be too large after all?  ;)  ;) ;)

[Still great figures, btw, Clib  :-bd ]
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Not that its worth much but I dug out some 30 year old (?) pics of re-enactors I took during a visit to Brandywine and none of them had big hats.  Perhaps the hats were authentic but the lads were all modern Americans and so taller (and probably heftier) than their forebears? 

I was really struggling to resist starting a project with all this AWI temptation but now I can wait until all poses are available in a choice of hat sizes.    :D 


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Quote from: DecemDave on 16 September 2021, 07:40:15 AM

I was really struggling to resist starting a project with all this AWI temptation but now I can wait until all poses are available in a choice of hat sizes.    :D 


;D ;D =D>
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Quote from: Westmarcher on 16 September 2021, 08:10:53 AM
;D ;D =D>

I refer you to my hat comments in the Rules Heresy thread.

Summary: Bigger hats mean better troops (as any fule kno!)

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fred.

Given this is pre-industrialisation I guess hat sizes would have varied.

There is an interesting video about hats in the military, from an historian, quite possible one from the IWM, which whilst slightly tongue in cheek, makes the point that military hats are all about morale. And the bigger and fancier the better.
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