8th Army Bren gun carrier BRV83

[Sunray]

Sorry, I was referring to the model of the carrier including the crew. Thanks to the OP I now know not to buy this model of a carrier because the crew are wrong.

I guess it can be solved by snipping out the crew and replacing them with helmeted figures?

I have executed that eviction on a few occasions - a small drill bit works well.  And remember the crew are slightly under scale to fit the vehicle.

[Westmarcher]

I suppose one man's pedantry is another man's education. Today I learned that there is a difference between a Bren carrier and a Universal carrier. 

[Dr Dave]

I suppose one man's pedantry is another man's education. Today I learned that there is a difference between a Bren carrier and a Universal carrier. 

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call it pedantry? The figures are in the wrong hats. You wouldn't want SYW Prussian line in berets.

[Westmarcher]

I don't think it is pedantry either, Dr Dave, nor did I say it was pedantry. I believe that if you read the above posts again you will see that others referred to 'pedantic-ness' and 'rivet counting.'  I merely observed what was being discussed and stated that, for me, it was educational.

[FierceKitty]

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call it pedantry? The figures are in the wrong hats. You wouldn't want SYW Prussian line in berets.

Ugh. Trying to give me nightmares?

[Ithoriel]

Well, just spent a pleasant afternoon playing small ship actions in Ironbottom Sound. Four players, homebrew rules, nothing bigger than a cruiser ... and in one of the games three IJN destroyers were actually played by Carthaginian Quadriremes! Didn't seem to affect the run of play or the fun being had.

Jus' sayin'

[Westmarcher]

... and yet somehow you can't deal with ................. Wendy houses!     

[Orcs]

Well, just spent a pleasant afternoon playing small ship actions in Ironbottom Sound. Four players, homebrew rules, nothing bigger than a cruiser ... and in one of the games three IJN destroyers were actually played by Carthaginian Quadriremes! Didn't seem to affect the run of play or the fun being had.

Jus' sayin'

Yep Its a playing piece. , Its nice to have the right model , but Its the fun that matters

[Ithoriel]

... and yet somehow you can't deal with ................. Wendy houses!     

I can deal with Wendy houses as a stop gap, it's the preference for out-of-scale buildings that puzzles me.

[Westmarcher]

Thread hijack!  Well, arguably, it's a done thing anyway. It's what we do. And what helps to make this forum so interesting and fun.  ;

Proxies are OK in my book. Personally, I would like to war-game loads of different periods in history but, realistically, I'd have to live for a 100 years, and retain my faculties, before I could paint up all of the historical collections I would like to have. I suppose I could just make and paint up coloured blocks of balsa wood, instead (that's probably the best way to avoid being accused of being a so-called 'rivet-counter'- oh, the shame).

So I thought one solution might be to refer to Shakespeare and build an Elizabethan collection which would not only allow me to wargame the conflicts of the 16th Century but all of the conflicts that featured in the bard's plays - less, of course, gunpowder weapons depending on the era in question - because, let's face it, their audience's point of reference would have been towards contemporary garb and weapons (see what I'm saying?). This way, I could please myself, have fun, and to hell with ....

Taking this further, I must confess I much prefer the sculpts of Pendraken's League of Augsburg range to their ECW range and so have been wondering if I should collect in that range to play (by proxy, of course) not only the ECW using the For King & Parliament rules but also (more authentically as far as uniforms are concerned?) all of the conflicts of Louis XIV in the latter part of the 17th Century. I've also had similar thoughts, by the way, of doing the same for the earlier 'bicorne' era Napoleonic Wars, where I could wargame (by proxy, of course) earlier conflicts - even going back to the SYW - as well as the latter part of the Napoleonic Wars.

Heh, guys, wargaming is a broad church. Let's be clear. It's down to the passion for detail and authenticity that many of us have, that we are not currently gaming with wooden blocks but have such a marvellous choice of miniatures to choose from nowadays to cater for our individual era(s) of interest. So, let's not mock or disparage those who have that passion and seek that detail that some of us are so relaxed about or ready to dismiss. Let's respect everybody.

Just saying.

[fsn]

Blimey! Someone's being sensible on the forum. That'll never catch on.

I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Marcher. I can't be so pedantic as to (lliterally) paint myself into a corner. My WWII Brits represent the Guards Armoured Division in August 1944 ... but their Shermans may appear in Normandy in June, or even in Italy in 1943. I couldn't find the right decals for the field artillery, so I'm using the wrong ones. (Please don't tell me where to get them now ... it's too late.)

My British Napoleonic army from the Netherlands in 1815* will doubtless contest the Bavarians from Hanau; meanwhile in Sicily Greeks will be wearing the wrong thing whilst fighting Carthaginians who are also doubtless wearing the wrong thing - but there was a fight there at some time.

I don't care. I compromise and I have fun.

*I am pondering creating some extra command bases to swap out so that the army can easily be converted in part to the Peninsula in 1813-14.**
** But they're still going to take on the Bavarians.

[Sunray]

If they are Bren Carriers they wont, those were gone by end 41, possibly earlier. The bren is the one with a sloped rear and only 1 rear compartment. The Universal which replaced several other types is the most common one, it has a straight back and two rear compartments.

Just to clarify the position for you Ian as I appreciate - being a modern gamer- you may not  purchase much WW2 kit from Leon.   Pendraken appear to make only one model of Carrier.  The BRV79 and BRV83 are the SAME model. Different crew. 

That is straight back "Universal" carrier with two rear compartments.  The term "Bren gun carrier" is their common place name- as is on the catalogue, not a reference to the early specific model.     This retention of an original name is not uncommon with well loved bits of kit.   I soldiered with the 7.62 LMG- the old hands still affectionately called it the Bren- which it was not.
So these Pendraken "8th Army Bren Gun Carriers" [sic] will not be out of place in game after the end of 1941.

What Pendraken does not have is an earlier BEF era carrier.  But is there  demand enough to justify the sculpt ?

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Just to clarify the position for you Ian as I appreciate - being a modern gamer- and every other period !!

   I soldiered with the 7.62 LMG- the old hands still affectionately called it the Bren- which it was not. No it be an L4, but I still call it a Bren

Added a couple of quotes in the quote ! 

[Sunray]

Added a couple of quotes in the quote ! 

You're welcome . !      

[John Cook]

What Pendraken does not have is an earlier BEF era carrier.  But is there  demand enough to justify the sculpt ?

Why not?  Just about every conceivable version of Cruiser tanks are available and I have seen photos of Bren Carriers (single rear compartment on the left) and Scout Carriers (single rear compartment on the right) in North Africa as late as 1941.