Island Hopping

[bigjackmac]

Too much flattery, SV52, but very much appreciated 

V/R,
Jack

[Ace of Spades]

Really nice to see someone refighting the ABDA battles!
Just bought some ships for those fights too; should be fun... I guess...

Cheers,
Rob
(Netherlands!)

[paulr]

I look forward to seeing the ships

We've done the Battle of the Java Sea and Jack has inspired me to put together scenarios for the other battles

Most are fairly one sided, the key will be to come up with suitable victory conditions

[bigjackmac]

Excellent Rob, I hope to see you post some pics/battle reports!

Paul - I'm looking at doing the Battle of Java Sea, but breaking it up into smaller portions and levelling the playing field between ABDA and IJN a bit.  Plus I don't have enough CAs to do the whole thing anyway...

V/R,
Jack

[paulr]

A good approach
I have more than enough CAs 

[pierre the shy]

You could always do a "what if" and deploy a couple of these bad boys Jack:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_1047_battlecruiser

Japanese CA problem sorted 

Good idea to split up the Java Sea battle as it was fought in several distinct phases.

Look forward to seeing how things turn out.

We should be progressing Turn 3 of our Solomons Campaign in the next couple of weeks.

[bigjackmac]

Paul - Well send some my way!   Actually, I'm using Axis and Allies War at Sea minis, and Peter provided a link where I might be able to get some CAs at a reasonable price, I just haven't followed up yet.

Pierre - Nah man, I mean I don't physically have enough CAs, I only own one Japanese CA and one US CA.  Plenty of DEs, DDs, CLs, got a BB and two CVs per side, but only one CA per side.  I've even thought of using DEs as DDs, DDs as CLs, and CLs as CAs, but I need to check Peter's link.

Regarding splitting Java Sea into different phases, I need to do some homework, but I think it will make it a more level playing field as well.  I can't wait to get to the Solomons myself!

V/R,
Jack

[paulr]

Mine are 1/3,000 so wrong scale for you Jack 

[pierre the shy]

Pierre - Nah man, I mean I don't physically have enough CAs, I only own one Japanese CA and one US CA.  Plenty of DEs, DDs, CLs, got a BB and two CVs per side, but only one CA per side.  I've even thought of using DEs as DDs, DDs as CLs, and CLs as CAs, but I need to check Peter's link.

I know what you mean Jack. Your ABDA naval battle reports to date look fine with a few stand-ins. 

I like to tinker with historical scenarios by adding what-if bits to them sometimes - just to see what might have happened.

Paul and I invested in quite a large Navwar 1/3000 order a few years ago so we can cover most WW2 navies pretty comprehensively, though I have acquired a few more since then as well     

[bigjackmac]

Ahh, that's cool, I didn't realize you two (Pierre and Paul) were wargaming pals!  In retrospect, I wish I'd have have gone 1/3000, but I'm lazy and put a lot more stock in the fact the were pre-painted  

So yeah, pretty much everything is going to be stand-ins (I'm happy if I can just get the right size of ship), and I'll soon be getting to some what ifs.

V/R,
Jack

[bigjackmac]

Just ordered two CAs for Allies and Japanese (each).  Regular service shall be resumed shortly

V/R,
Jack

[petercooman]

I'll Get you a list Later on with all the usable axis and allies minis for warships from ww2. A lot of the sculpts van be used for sister ships.

[petercooman]

Here you go Jack:

how it works:

for example: 2} Van Galen (Set 2) and Tjerk Hiddes, and see british Javelin

2 means there were two of this type, then it gives you the names of the ships, and when there is a set number next to the name, this means there is a war at sea mini in that particular set.(there are 6 sets in war at sea)   will also mention if another official mini from a different nation can be used (in this case the british javelin was exactly the same class of ship as the van galen, the netherlands bought/got the ship from the british)

if there is no usable miniature, it will state as such.

if you see NL} before an entry, that means there were a lot of said type of ships. It means no limit for building fleets in the war at sea miniature game.

something like this:  "4} Witte De With (Set 4) +7 Admiralen class, 2 A class, and 9 A and 9 B class " means there were 4 exact types like the ship mentioned + a bunch of ships that resembled the before mentioned ship




Netherlands (KM)  


Cruisers
1} DeRuyter (Set 2)

Destroyers
2} Van Galen (Set 2) and Tjerk Hiddes, and see british Javelin
4} Witte De With (Set 4) +7 Admiralen class, 2 A class, and 9 A and 9 B class

Submarines
2} Svaardvisch (Set 2) + Tijger Haai
NL} K XVI  + K XIV, K XV, K XVII, and K XVIII proxy with us S 37 mini (close enough proxy)  (set 4)


Australia (RAN)  

Aviation Units
NL} A-29 Kittyhawk use P-40E Warhawk mini (set 5)
NL} DAP Beaufort Mk. VIII  could proxy with  Beaufighter TF Mk X (Set 2)

Cruisers
2} Australia (Set 5), Canberra (Set 1) and Shropshire, + see Kent
3} Sydney (Set 1), Perth  and Hobart, + see Ajax and Leander

Destroyers
3} Arunta (Set 2) + Warramunga and Bataan, + see Cossack and Haida
NL} Nizam (Starter) + Napier, Nepal, Nestor, and Norman, and see Javelin
2} Vampire + Vendetta, + Waterhen and Voyager?  use witte de with miniature (Set 4)


Canada (RCN)  

Cruisers
1} Uganda (Set 4) and Ontario, + see   Jamaica

Destroyers
NL} St. Laurent (Set 5) +4 C, 2 D, 1 E, 2 F, 9 D, 7 E, 7 F, and 1 E class
2} Algonquin (Set 6) + Sioux
NL} Haida (Set 2) + Iroquois, Athabaskan, and Huron
NL} Sackville (Set 3) +115, 103, 10, 25, 4, 1, 6, and 2 Flower class



New Zealand (RNZN)  

Cruisers
2} Leander (Set 3) and Achilles, + see Ajax and Sydney
1} Gambia  use Jamaica (Set 2) or uganda  (Set 4) mini

United Kingdom (RN)  

Aviation Units
NL} Beaufighter TF Mk X (Set 2)
NL} Seafire Mk III no official mini
NL} Mosquito Mk VI no official mini
NL} Martlet Mk II (Set 3)
NL} Skua Mk II no official mini
NL} Sea Hurricane Mk IB (Set 1)
NL} Fulmar Mk II (could use barracuda)
NL} Swordfish Mk II (Set 1), Swordfish Mk. I (Set 6)
NL} Barracuda Mk II (Set 2)and as Fulmar
NL} Halifax GR Mk V (Set 2)
NL} Short Sunderland Mk 1 (Set 4)

Aircraft Carriers
2} Indefatigable + Implacable could proxy with Illustrious (set 2) /Victorious (set 4)
1} Ark Royal (Set 1)
4} Illustrious (Set 2), Victorious (Set 4) + Formidable and Indomitable
2} Glorious (Set 5) + Courageous
1} Furious    proxy with  Glorious (Set 5)
1} Eagle (Set 6)
NL} Fencer (Set 2), Nabob +7 Attacker class and 25 Ruler class
1} Hermes no official mini

Battleships
1} ­Lion and Temeraire, + Conqueror and Thunderer (never laid down)  could proxy with  Prince of Wales (set 3) /King George V (set 2)
1} Vanguard     could proxy with  Prince of Wales (set 3) /King George V (set 2)
2} Rodney (Set 1), Nelson (Set 6)
NL} King George V (Set 2), Prince of Wales (Set 3) + Duke of York, Anson, and Howe
1} Hood (Set 1) +3 cancelled pre-war?
NL} Warspite (Set 2), Barham  + Valiant, Queen Elizabeth, and Malaya
2} Repulse (Set 3), Renown
NL} Royal Oak (Set 4) +3 Revenge class and Royal Sovereign (til '44)/ Arkhangelsk ('44 on)
2} Roberts + Abercrombie

Cruisers
NL} Kent (Set 2), Suffolk , + Berwick, Cumberland, Cornwall, London, Sussex, Devonshire, Dorsetshire, and Norfolk, + see Australia and Canberra
2} Exeter (Set 1) + York
2} Hawkins (Set 6) and Frobisher, + Effingham and Raleigh (wrecked pre-war), and as  Adelaide?
NL} Ajax (Set 1) + Neptune and Orion, and see Sydney and Leander
NL} Jamaica (Set 2) +8 Colony class and 2 Minotaur class, + see Uganda and Gambia
NL} Sheffield (Set 6) +4 Southampton and 3 Gloucester class
2} Belfast (Set 3) + Edinburgh
4} Penelope + Arethusa, Aurora, and Galatea    could proxy with Sydney(Set 1)
NL} Dunedin + Danae, Dauntless, Delhi, Durban, Despatch, Diomede     use Dragon miniature (set 6 polish mini)
NL} Euryalus (Set 5) +10 Dido class, 2 Bellona class, and 3 Bellona class

Destroyers
NL} Glowworm +7 G, 8 H, 6 Havant, and 11 I class, + see Vasilissa Olga (set 4 greek mini)
NL} Javelin (Set 1) +7 J and 8 K class, Piorun, and see  Nizam and  Van Galen
NL} Saumarez (Set 3) +12 S/T, 14 U/V, 16 W/Z, and 32 C class, + 1 S/T and 2 S/T
NL} Cossack (Set 4) +15 Tribal class
NL} Electra  +8 E and 9 F class    use HMCS St. Laurent mini (set 5)
NL} Swale (Set 5) +65 River class and 12, 68, 6, 1, and 2 SAN River class + 2 Ashville class
NL} Ledbury  +26 Hunt (Type II)  could proxy with Halcyon (Set 6)

Torpedo Boats
NL} Vosper MTB (Set 6) +296 Vosper 70' ?

Auxiliaries
NL} Manxman  + Abdiel, Apollo, Ariadne, Latona, and Welshman no official mini
NL} Halcyon (Set 6) +20 Halcyon class

Submarines
NL} Truculent (Set 1), Triton (Set +50 T class
NL} Upholder +48 U class can proxy with Ambra (Set 1 italian mini)


United States (USN)  

Aviation Units
NL} F4F Wildcat (Set 1) + and (Post-war)?
NL} F6F Hellcat (Set 2) + and
NL} USMC F4U Corsair (Set 4), F4U-1D Corsair (Set 6) + and and (Post-war)
NL} P-40E Warhawk (Set 5)
NL} P-38G Lightning   no official miniature
NL} SBD Dauntless (Set 1), SBD-3 Dauntless
NL} SB2C Helldiver (Set 3)
NL} TBD Devastator (Set 1) and as Skua
NL} TBF Avenger (Set 2), TBF1 Avenger (Starter)
NL} B-25 Mitchell (Set 2)
NL} B-24D Liberator (Set 4)
NL} B-17E Flying Fortress  no official miniature
NL} PBM-3 Mariner  could proxy with Sunderland(Set 4)
NL} PBY Catalina (Set 1), PBY Black Cat (Set 5)

Aircraft Carriers
NL} Intrepid (Set 3), Essex (Set 5), Bunker Hill  +7 "short hull" Essex class, 7 "long hull" Ticonderoga class, and 9 Ticoderoga class built after the war, +2 cancelled?
2} Saratoga (Set 2), Lexington (Set 4)
3} Enterprise (Set 1), Yorktown (Set 2), and Hornet (Set 6)
1} Wasp (Set 6)
1} Ranger  could proxy with Wasp(set 6)
NL} Princeton (Set 1), Independence  + 7 Independence class
NL} St. Lo (Set 1), Guadalcanal (Set 6) +48 Casablanca class and 11 Bogue class

Battleships
1} Montana (Set 6) of 5 planned
4} Iowa (Set 1), Missouri (Set 2) New Jersey (Set 6), and Wisconsin  (+2 planned Iowa class?)
2} Washington (Set 1), North Carolina (Set 3)
4} Massachusetts (Set 2) South Dakota + Alabama, and Indiana
3} West Virginia (Set 4) + Colorado and Maryland + Washington? (sunk pre-war)
2} Tennessee (Set 1), California (Set 2)
3} Mississippi  + New Mexico and Idaho  coud proxy with Arizona (Set 3)
2} Arizona (Set 3) + Pennsylvania
2} Nevada (Set 5) + Oklahoma? (Never repaired)
2} Texas  + New York could proxy with Nevada (Set 5)
2} Arkansas  + Wyoming  no official miniature

Cruisers
2} Alaska (Set 3) + Guam (+ Hawaii and 3 planned Alaska class?)
NL} Baltimore (Set 1), Quincy (Set 5) +9 Baltimore class and 3 completed after the war, +1 cancelled
NL} San Francisco (Set 2), New Orleans  +5 New Orleans class
NL} Houston (Set 4) +5 Northampton class
2} Indianapolis + Portland     can proxy with Houston (Set 4)
2} Salt Lake City (Set 1) + Pensacola
NL} Cleveland (Set 2), Montpelier (Starter) +10 Cleveland class and 6 commissioned after the war, +25 planned?  (Not counting the 9 hulls converted into Princeton class Carriers)
NL} Boise (Set 1), Phoenix (Set 6) +5 Brooklyn class
NL} Atlanta (Set 1), San Diego (Set 3) +2 Atlanta class and 4 Oakland class
NL} Richmond (Set 3) +8 Omaha class and Milwaukee/ Murmansk

Destroyers
NL} Phelps (Set 3) +7 Porter class and 5 Somers class
NL} Laffey (Set 2), Allen M Sumner (Set 4) and 56 Sumner class and 83 Gearing class +9 cancelled?
NL} Fletcher (Set 1), Hoel (Set 2), Kidd (Set 3), Taylor (Starter), Johnston  and 170 Fletcher class +11 cancelled?
NL} Wainwright  +11 Sims class   could proxy with  Bagley (Set 5)
NL} Gwin+29 Benson class and 62 Gleaves class  could proxy with Fletcher(Set 1)/Hoel(Set 2)/Taylor(Starter)/Kidd(Set 3)
NL} Bagley (Set 5) +7 Bagley class and 4 Gridley class
NL} Smith  +17 Mahan class  could proxy with  Bagley (Set 5)
NL} Edsall (Set 6) + 133,   18,   3, and   1 Clemson class,  and   68,   23,   6,   1,   5, and   8 Wickes class
NL} Samuel B. Roberts (Set 1), John C. Butler (Set 2) +81 John C. Butler class and 22 Rudderow class

Torpedo Boats
NL} PT Boat (Set 1) +98 Higgins 78', 118 Elco 80', 27 Higgins 78', 30 Elco 80', and 5 T-21

Auxiliary Units
NL} Gunston Hall (Set 3) +7 Ashland and 13 Casa Grande class, + 4 Casa Grande class
1} Langly (AV-3)
NL} LST (Set 6) + about 1,000 LST (2)'s, + 73,   6,   6, and   1
NL} Neosho (AO-23) +29 Cimarron class and 6 post-war
NL} American Victory (Set 6) +530 Victory Ship class
NL} Jeremiah O'Brien (Set 1) + about 2,522 Liberty class, + 7,   4,   13,   2, 12,   about 150, and   about 40

Submarines
NL} Barb (Set 1), Archerfish (Set 2) +76 Gato, 127 Balao, and 19 Tench class, + 2 Balao class
NL} Gudgeon  +11 Tambor class could proxy with Archerfish/Barb (see above for set)
NL} S-37 (Set 4) +18 "S" class and 5 "Group 1" S class



Japan (IJN)  

Aviation Units
NL} N1K1 "George" (Set 4)
NL} A7M2 "Sam" , A6M2 "Zeke (Set 1), A6M2 Kamikaze "Zero" (Set 2), A6M5 "Zeke" (Set 3), Elite A6M2 "Zero" (Set 6)
NL} A6M2-N "Rufe" (Set 5)
NL} D4Y "Judy" (Set 2)
NL} D3A "Val" (Set 1)
NL} KI-51 "Sonia"  could proxy with D3A "Val" (Set 1)
NL} B7A2 "Grace" no official miniature
NL} B6N "Jill" (Set 3)
NL} B5N "Kate" (Set 1), B5N2 Type 97 Attack Bomber (Set 6)
NL} Ki-67 "Peggy"   could proxy with G4M "Betty" (Set 1), G4M1 "Betty" (Starter)
NL} G4M "Betty" (Set 1), G4M1 "Betty" (Starter)
NL} H8K "Emily" (Set 2)

Aircraft Carriers
1} Shinano  could proxy with Taihō (Set 6)
1} Akagi (Set 1)
1} Kaga (Set 5)
2} Shokaku (Set 1), Zuikaku (Set 2)
1} Taihō (Set 6) +5 planned?
1} Hiryu  could proxy with Soryu (Set 3)
1} Soryu (Set 3)
3} Unryū  + Amagi and Katsuragi, Kasagi and Aso, +2 unnamed Unryū class and 9 Ikoma class (cancelled) could proxy with   Soryu (Set 3)
2} Junyō (Set 4) + Hiyō
1} Ryūjō (Set 6)
3} Taiyō  + Chūyō and Unyō   could proxy with  Taihō (Set 6)
2} Shoho (Set 1) + Zuiho, and as full-deck versions of Chitose and Chiyoda?
1} Hosho  could proxy with Shoho (Set 1)

Battleships
1} Tsushima  could proxy with Yamato (Set 1), Musashi (Set 2)
2} Yamato (Set 1), Musashi (Set 2), Sho-Go Yamato (Set 6) + incomplete BB #111 and planned BB #797?
2} Nagato (Set 3) and  Mutsu
2} Yamashiro (Set 2), Fuso (Set 4)
2} Ise (Set 5), Hyūga
1} Tanigawa  of 6 planned (B-65 class) no official miniature
4} Kongo (Set 1), Haruna (Set 2), Kirishima (Set 5), + Hiei

Cruisers
4} Myoko (Set 1), Nachi (Set 2), Haguro (Starter) + Ashigara
4} Atago (Set 5), Maya + Takao and Chōkai
2} Aoba (Set 3) + Kinugasa
2} Furutaka  + Kako  looks exactly the same as Aoba miniature (Set 3)
4} Suzuya (Set 4), Mogami (Set 6) + Mikuma and Kumano
2} Tone (Set 1), Chikuma (Set 4)
2} Oi (Set 3) + Kitakami and 3 Kuma class
3} Jintsu (Set 1), Naka (Set 6) + Sendai
NL} Nagara  + Isuzu, Yura, Natori, Kinu, and Abukuma   can be proxied with Jintsu (Set 1), Naka (Set 6)
4} Yahagi (Set 2), Agano (Set 4) + Noshiro and Sakawa
1} Yubari   no official miniature

Destroyers
1} Shimakaze  can be proxied with Yukikaze/Isokaze/Hatsukaze
NL} Yukikaze (Set 1), Isokaze (Set 2), Hatsukaze (Set 6) +16 Kagero class, 19 Yugumo class, and 4 Akatsuki class
NL} Asagumo  +9 Asashio class   can be proxied with Yukikaze/Isokaze/Hatsukaze  
NL} Akitsuki (Set 2), Terutsuki (Starter) +10 Akizuki class
NL} Shigure (Set 3), Murasame (Set 4) +8 Shiratsuyu class and 6 Hatsuharu class
NL} Nagatsuki (Set 5) +11 Mutsuki class, 9 Kamikaze class, and 15 Minekaze class
NL} Fubuki  +23 Fubuki class  can be proxied with Yukikaze/Isokaze/Hatsukaze
NL} Matsu (Set 4) +17 Matsu class and 14 Tachibana class, +9 cancelled?
NL} T-13 Sub Chaser (Set 1) +48 Type 13 class

Auxiliary Units
2} Chitose (Set 5) + Chiyoda
2} Akitsu Maru + Nigitsu Maru  no official miniature
NL} T1 Landing Ship (Set 3) +20 Type 1 Landing Ships and 13 cancelled?
NL} Kinai Maru (Set 1) +5 Kinai Maru and 5 Kamikawa Maru class
NL} Iro  +6 Notoro class can be proxied with nordmark (Set 1 german miniature)
NL} Daihatsu Landing Craft (Set 6) +3,228 planned?

Submarines
2} I-400  + I-401   no official miniature
NL} I-19 (Set 1), I-26 (Set 2), I-25 (Starter) +17 B1 Type Submarines
NL} RO-50 (Set 5) +17 R0-35 class (of 79 planned)

[bigjackmac]

Thanks Peter, but don't sweat it, it's not necessary.  As Lemmey and Phil always call me, I'm a simple man

So for me, any allied CA can be any allied CA throughout the war, just as any Japanese CL will be any Japanese CL I need it to be throughout the war.  I'm not picky, I just want ships to be vaguely the right size relative to other ships    And I don't want to put any more money into it!  I do wish I'd have gone with NAVWAR's excellent 1/3000 range, but I've already sunk all this money into the Axis and Allies stuff, so it will have to do.

EDIT: Goodness, I see I'm too late!  Well, thanks for all the hard work Peter, you're too kind!

V/R,
Jack

[paulr]

I hope that was a list you had prepared earlier Peter

A perfectly reasonable approach with the ships Jack
It contrasts with mine, the Allies are in the correct camouflage for late 1942, or when they were launched. The Japanese are in the correct grey for the shipyards where they had their last major refit