question on vehicle scale

[niktherake]

I am starting a WW2 set (maybe some SCW too) which will be based round Pendraken products, but I might acquire stuff from ebay too.

When I look at ebay 10mm listings I find that 95% of vehicles are described as 10mm (1/200). I had understood that the ratio scale for 10mm was somewhere around 1/150 and that this is the scale to which Pendraken vehicles are modelled.

The difference to 1/200 seems it would be visually incompatible?

Some excellent comparison photographs have been linked here, but ebay listers don't generally identify brands.

Should I shun ebay offerings at 1/200?

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Hello and welcome.
1/144 or 1/150 are the closest to 10mm. Possibly 1/200 is an ill informed description, but if accurate would be very small (6mm figures and tanks are 1/300).

[Steve J]

Welcome on board. The 1/200th ones are noticably smaller, so would avoid them.

[fred.]

1/200th stuff is usually Skytrex and the scale ratio (1/200th) is about right for them. For some reason when they were initially sold they were also described as 10mm, they aren't they are more like 8mm and look very small next to Pendraken and other real 10mm.

[Fenton]

On the other end of the scale. The products by Arrowhead miniatures also sometimes sold as 10mm are far too big

[Techno]

As that was your first post.....
Welcome to the forum Nik.

Cheers - Phil

[fsn]

Hello there, Mr Rake.

Shun those 1:200. Shun E-bay. Go straight to Pendraken. Avoids any confusion.

I use 1:144 aircraft where there is no 1:150 Pendraken alternative and that works quite well, but 1:200 would be noticeable smaller.  N gauge railway stuff also fits nicely.

A Churchill tank at 7.44m long would be 37mm in 1:200 and 52mm in 1:150. 

So I'm guessing you're either tall and thin, or have a way with the ladies?

[Wulf]

It also depends on the sculpt - I have KV-1 from 3 different manufacturers and they're all different lengths! The longest is about 3mm longer than the shortest...

Arrowhead are a bit big, but not bad so long as you don't mix them in with the same tanks from other ranges, but the 1/200 I have (Magister Militum, I think) are WAY too small!

[Sunray]

Hi Nik, welcome to the forum.  All good advice.  I would steer well clear of 1/200 - unless you want the wheels or bits for scratch building.

There is a variation in scale amongst the 10/12 mm manufactures. In general you get 1/144 , 1/148 and 1/150.  The latter is the true scale for 10mm.   In terms of figures, men come in a wide range of height and size so I find a few manufactures I can mix.

Look out for the website www.madaxeman.com  - he is a well respected member of this forum- his lists the definitive comparison of
10mm and 12mm vehicles. 

1/144 tends to be the scale for aircraft and N gauge supplies a lot of bits and bobs with regard to scenery. 

[Leon]

Hi Nik, first off welcome to the Forum!

As the other guys have said, our 10mm is 1:150th scale, which sites it just in between the two N-gauge scales (1:144th and 1:160th).  The 1:200th models, as Fred says, are noticeably smaller and don't work with other 10mm products.

There is also some confusion I've seen on places like eBay where people may have genuine 10mm stuff (either ours or someone elses) and they list it at 1:200th even when it's not.  If they've got a company name on the listing that can often be the better indicator for deciding whether it's compatible with other companies.

[niktherake]

Thanks all for the friendly welcomes and good info.

Clearly I must stick to product labelled Pendraken and do my own painting.

(I was tall and thin when I acquired my soubriquet, alas the decades have taken their toll)

[Heedless Horseman]

Might I suggest. Nick, that you take a good look of the new, revamped Pendraken tanks, Sherman, T34, Tiger etc. on the Forum before rushing in orders? They look way better than the existing mouldings and could be worth waiting for...building up artillery, softskins, troop carriers and infantry first and drooling over new releases in anticipation like other Forum dwellers!   
I was not happy with the running gear on existing Shermans and T34s so have amassed a host of 1/144 armour from Takara and Arrowhead. Takara, (1/144 prepainted plastic), are lovely but have cost a fortune even though I have found good suppliers on ebay. Arrowhead, (1/144 metal), are excellent models but are in kit form and can be fiddly...superglue sticks bits to fingers better that to other parts...(of the Tank, you smutty lot!).     ...although, as with Pendraken, the Arrowhead bloke is also a pleasure to buy from.   
For ease and cost, I think I might have gone for the new Pendraken sculpts if I had known that they were in the pipeline.
Support vehicles, etc. seem to work pretty well together, whether 1/150 or 1/144 and Pendraken infantry are excellent.      

[Orcs]

With the exception of the Skytrex 1:200 stuff most manufacturers work ok together provided you do not mix vehicles of the same type from different manufacturers.

I avoid anything on e-bay that says  1:200 /10mm unless I recognise the sculpts - Yes unfortunately I am enough of a nerd to do this.

Most sellers list every possible manufacturer for wargames stuff so they come up in searches.

Just pop them an email requesting the manufacturer.  If they are a wargamer they WILL know.  If they are Jo blogs who knows nothing and thinks they are RARE etc they will not know. so avoid the non wargamer  selling stuff.

[Last Hussar]

Strictly speaking 10mm is closer to 1:160th (a 10mm man 1m60-1m76, as figures tend to be closer to 11mm)

The 1:200 vehicles are noticibly smaller next to a Pendraken.  I use mine, but try not to put them too close to my Pendraken.  You can just about get away with mixing infantry.  My personal view is the Skytrex I have are probably more in proportion, and if both lots were blown up to 1:1 scale, the Pendrakens would be fat blokes. HOWEVER the fat 10mm look better - the (probably) correct Skytrex look spindley and underfed.  Course, that could be down to hanging round with wargamers.

Railway modellers quote to the foot, not height of a man, which makes more sense, as it is a fixed length.  N gauge is 2mm - 1:152 scale. A 11mm figure (to top of head - WHICH IS THE ONLY TRUE MEASURE FOR FIGURES) is a shade under 5'6" at this ratio.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Last Hussar, you forgot to make the holy sign of the P when mentioning the one true scale!