List of new Vehicles coming through 2015/2016

[fsn]

Hang on chaps! This could be a trap!

This is the Darker Lord, whose guile is legendary and whose capriciousness had been the stuff of tales best spoken in hushed tones when the night is dark, and the moon is hidden. This being of another dimension cannot be trusted. He will take our words and twist them for his own cynical amusement. The Dark Lord begs him daily to release the full set of Aztecs, and yet with a careless laugh he tosses the masters back into his ebon chest - adorned with the screaming skulls of those who displeased him. Even the tears of Milday cannot move the rock that is his heart.

We, the flies under the Pendraken horse's tail, must best the Darker Lord with even more cunning that a bag of foxes. We must outwit his monstrous intelligence, and best him in the mind games in which he excels. Above all, he must not be aware of our plans. We must communicate in secret ways, using only trusted comrades. Make sure you speak out the side of your mouth, and try not to move your lips as you type.

I have a suggestion. One of us should present the Darker Lord with a choice that seems to come from us all. He will see this and his great chuckle muscle will bob up and down, such will be his mirth. He will take great delight in doing the opposite of what we want.

I humbly volunteer to be the one to face he whose word can split continents. I shall place myself in his sight, and if this should mean my utter destruction (or expulsion from the forum), then so be it. I have found great friends in this forum and I ask only that you remember me. Perhaps a "Nobby Day" on my birthday, when everyone is rude about Techno. I'd like that. And if you could pass all the derision that I receive to Westmarcher, then that would make me happy.

Here goes.

Oh great Darker One, whose knowledge of the space-time continuum and how to warp it could get him the rose bowl on Mastermind,    ... Oh, by the way, ignore everything that I wrote in this post before this paragraph ... whose footsteps could topple even magnetic based figures, who makes the world with his mighty casting machine, whose appearance in Playgirl in 1978 is still talked about, we, the dust beneath your feet, the contents of your handkerchief, the ... oooh I feel a bit queasy have had congress and spoke between ourselves. We hear your demand and submit to your generosity and we have but one request. This is our one request of your magnificence and we shall not disturb you with other petty wishes, which to you are like the squeaking of squirrels (grey, not even the far cuter red), until you have seen to present to us your beneficence.

So, Mighty One, please grant us THE CENTURION BRIDGELAYER.  

[Fenton]

Above all, he must not be aware of our plans. We must communicate in secret ways, using only trusted comrades. Make sure you speak out the side of your mouth, and try not to move your lips as you type.

Ummmm......

[kustenjaeger]

Greetings

Mako's suggestions
(a) to permit 1960s to 80s and sometimes beyond

BRDM-2 - agreed
BRDM w/ATGMs - agreed (Sagger esp for Mid East, Swatter/Spandrel)
BMP-1 - priority as use for Mid East - not sure at this scale what changes one would make for the -1P with AT-4
BTR-60PB - agreed
T-62 - agreed priority for Mid East as well: not sure which model would be best
T-64 - question whether this, the T-72 or T-80 is a better bet, though the latter in particular is relevant to the end of the period Mako refers to.
[Soviet] troops - absolutely: to do this right would need riflemen, RPD/RPK LMG, RPG-7 or 16 etc, SA-7 or similar, SVD sniper rifle, officer, radio operator, probably PK MG, possibly AGL.

BMP-2 in mid 80s often mixed wit BMP-1 in formations (in separate companies).  Definitely a secondary priorty I would think.

I'd assume that ZSU-23(4) and SP artillery more likely to be off-board.

I have fewer views on NATO kit. 

Regards

Edward

[fsn]

Well my cunning plan and the forum unity lasted for 29 minutes. 

[Fenton]

Well my cunning plan and the forum unity lasted for 29 minutes. 

Better than normal I would have thought

[getagrip]

Better than normal I would have thought

By a factor of 29

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Not a factor...

[getagrip]

Not a factor...

Bloody maths teachers

[kustenjaeger]

Well my cunning plan and the forum unity lasted for 29 minutes. 

You really thought we were going to let fsn go for a Cent bridgelayer!?

Edward

[Rob]

T-64 - question whether this, the T-72 or T-80 is a better bet,

I'd assume that ZSU-23(4) and SP artillery more likely to be off-board.

T64 is not well understood. Its existence was even doubted until spies photographed it in East Germany. It was the more sophisticated stable mate of the T72. It was never offered for export, only the cheap basic T72. It equipped the best Soviet formations and would have been a surprise if the cold war went hot in the late 70's. The Warsaw Pact allies got T55s and T72s.

Models would have been T64A in the 70's and T64B in the 80's. Try this thread to show how they link together. http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=193a0b9abe245d616bb832f6a11c6a89&showtopic=14200 Its quite old now so some of the earlier images have gone but the information is pure gold.

ZSU23(4) were found in the frontline in Afganistan, used as convoy protection to shoot up into the mountains.

Additions to the Brits not mentioned that would be needed; FV432 mortar vehicle, Sultan command vehicle. If a Chieftain is made, please make sure you do some Romor armour with it as an option for the 80's stillbrew upgrade.

The Germans with their early Leopard 2s and the US with early 105mm Abrams were available in the late 70s.

Cheers, Rob 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Leopard 1 does Belgium and Danemark proud too...

[Westmarcher]

Leopard 1 does Belgium and Danemark proud too...

A propos. I stayed with a Danish family for 2 weeks in 1969. One of the sons was doing his national service with tank battalion/regiment. Loved the Centurion but was really excited about the fact they were to be equipped with Leopards.

[Hertsblue]

T64 is not well understood. Its existence was even doubted until spies photographed it in East Germany. It was the more sophisticated stable mate of the T72. It was never offered for export, only the cheap basic T72. It equipped the best Soviet formations and would have been a surprise if the cold war went hot in the late 70's. The Warsaw Pact allies got T55s and T72s.

Models would have been T64A in the 70's and T64B in the 80's. Try this thread to show how they link together. http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=193a0b9abe245d616bb832f6a11c6a89&showtopic=14200 Its quite old now so some of the earlier images have gone but the information is pure gold.

ZSU23(4) were found in the frontline in Afganistan, used as convoy protection to shoot up into the mountains.

Additions to the Brits not mentioned that would be needed; FV432 mortar vehicle, Sultan command vehicle. If a Chieftain is made, please make sure you do some Romor armour with it as an option for the 80's stillbrew upgrade.


The Germans with their early Leopard 2s and the US with early 105mm Abrams were available in the late 70s.

Cheers, Rob 

Not only was the T64 much more sophisticated than the T72 it was also much more expensive to build, which is why relatively few were constructed. They were issued to the divisions in East Germany and remained on their strength until the divisions were disbanded in 1989.

[Dave]

So, Mighty One, please grant us THE CENTURION BRIDGELAYER. 

Dave

[OldenBUA]

Leopard 1 does Belgium and Danemark proud too...

Well, Centurion, Chaffee, AMX-13...  So Leopard 1 (and Leopard 2) would make good additions if you want to build a Dutch cold war force. You can also use the M113, and the Argentinians would make good infantry, I think?

On the other hand, those Soviet tanks and APC's would be more useful. And the infantry even more so.