Missing figures

[Dave Fielder]

Not many English at all in the 45, lots of Germans, French and various forms of Jock-O-Nese (Highland, Lowland, Half-way-up-Land).

Don't forget this famous Highlander: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067302/ .... WAIT ... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058777/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 ... wasn't he at Rorkes Drift ... The Great Pretender ... he's ENGLISH!!!!!! 

[WeeWars]

I posted this link before.

Clans at Culloden:

http://unknownscottishhistory.com/articlefourteen.php

Looks like some of my ancestors supported both sides and some couldn't be bothered to support either. Charlie's ideal government would have been made up of Catholic sympathisers as opposed to the protestant Hanoverian king's government. Charles Edward wasn't planning to fill Westminster with MSPs.

[Dave Fielder]

Right proper Jock punch up that was ...

[GordonY]

Independance - that debate isnt over until the fat lady declares UDI.

[mollinary]

Independance - that debate isnt over until the fat lady declares UDI.

Of course, Culloden had nothing to do with Scottish independence - it was just the failure of another attempt by the Scots to keep us English under the jackboot of the Stuarts (or whatever family it was that supplied the warming pan baby!  ).

Mollinary

[Leman]

Now that's an interesting point of view.

[Ithoriel]

Of course, Culloden had nothing to do with Scottish independence - it was just the failure of another attempt by the Scots to keep us English under the jackboot of the Stuarts (or whatever family it was that supplied the warming pan baby!  ).

Mollinary

Alternatively, it was a Scots attempt to put the rightful government back in power after the London elite had hijacked the country ... much like the recent referendum and with just as much success

"Such a parcel of rogues in a nation"

[Hertsblue]

As a dynasty the Stuarts were hardly a roaring success. And as for "government", parliament controlled the money, whoever sat on the throne.

[Dave Fielder]

Is Mel Gibson a Stuart? If not then the entire Braveheart story is yet another fabrication of Tartan Propaganda. Attached image shows Scottish Orc Mob being badly led and hence getting into some difficulty in front of the Troops from the Shire.

[Ithoriel]

Is Mel Gibson a Stuart? If not then the entire Braveheart story is yet another fabrication of Tartan Propaganda. Attached image shows Scottish Orc Mob being badly led and hence getting into some difficulty in front of the Troops from the Shire.

The Gibsons are Hebrideans. Mel Gibson (who is not Hebridean as far as I can tell) was playing William Wallace who became Regent of Scotland but who was not king. The Stuarts don't appear until 1567 almost 250 years after Wallace was around.

But, yes, your rather nice Orcs are about as historical as Braveheart :-)

[FierceKitty]

Didn't Phil Barker call Braveheart  "the most accurate historical movie since Monty Python and the Holy Grail?"

[Dave Fielder]

I think the Orcs were commanded by that famous Hebridean; Bonnie Prince Gibson. His famous battle cry was reported to be: "You can have our flock and paints but you can't have out 10mm Pendrakens".

[Last Hussar]

Kitty - That's harsh. Monty Python are known for their sly accuracies in what people think of as comedies.  They were mostly Oxbridge graduates!

The 45 wasn't supported by the lowlanders because they believed a cosmopolitan forward looking union, with trading links was better than a backward looking absolute ruler who wanted to take the Scots back to a mythical time that didn't exist.  Interpret that as you will.

[FierceKitty]

It's the Oxford side of things that brings the Monty Python score down, of course.

[nikharwood]