Master list for new 1849-1866 Italians!

[Leon]

One of our main jobs for 2017 is to revamp the existing 1859 and 1866 Italian ranges, combining the two into one larger, more comprehensive set of figures to cover all of the Independence Wars from 1849-1866.  The 1866 Italians are one of the only remaining 'old' style ranges we've got now, so it's about time they got some attention.  The limited 1859 codes were all done as conversions from French/Prussian figures, so we might as well replace those with some nice new sculpts while we're at it.

Below is the current range list we'll be sending to the sculptor.  If this period is of interest to you, have a browse through and let us know if there's anything else you'd like to see included.  Thanks to mollinary for his help putting this together as well!

1859-1866 Italians

Foot
5 x Line infantry, in tunic (1849-1859) (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter)
5 x Line infantry, in greatcoat (1859-1866) (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter)
5 x Grenadiers (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter) – As above again.
5 x Bersaglieri (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter) – Skirmish poses, running/at trail and kneeling/firing.
5 x Garibaldini (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter) – Irregular type poses, so running/at trail and standing/firing.

Cavalry
5 x Line cavalry (dragoons) in helmet with lance (2 troopers and 3 command)
7 x Cavalleggeri cavalry (2 troopers with lances, 2 troopers with sabres and 3 command) – Apparently the cavalleggeri had lances in 1859 but then moved to sabres for the rest of the period.
5 x Carabinieri cavalry (2 troopers and 3 command)

Artillery
4 x Line Artillery crew
4 x Horse Artillery crew (Voloire)
1 x 8pdr Artillery piece
1 x 16pdr Artillery piece
1 x Howitzer piece

Misc
1 x Mounted Officer
1 x Mounted General
1 x Garibaldi personality figure
1 x Casualty marker

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Yes please!

[Leman]

I will be seriously considering those.

[Le Manchou]

Got the whole Italian army for the 1859 campaign, but will consider an order to be able to play Custozza as I already have the map for it!

[Steve J]

Nice to see these range being revamped/expanded

[toxicpixie]

Drat, and I only bought some, err, a year ago... hmm.

Well, like Le Manchou says, I'll need more for Custozza etc!

[Shedman]

Excellent news

[Bernie]

Looks good - I'll certainly get another corps worth!

[Brotherdargon]

It looks like my Future Austrians will have a worthy opponents - French and Future Italians.

[Ben Waterhouse]

Nice!

[streetgang]

5 x Garibaldi (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter)

Are these Garibaldini for the Risorgimento? Will these gents be in a proper uniform or a little more irregular? Will the Italians be specifically Piedmontese or can they be used as other states? Thanks so much!

[Leon]

5 x Garibaldi (2 foot and officer/standard/trumpeter)

Are these Garibaldini for the Risorgimento? Will these gents be in a proper uniform or a little more irregular?

These will be a bit more irregular, probably in firing and running type poses I think.

Will the Italians be specifically Piedmontese or can they be used as other states? Thanks so much!

The final item on the list will be specifically Piedmontese troops, the earlier line figures will be fine for other states.

[toxicpixie]

When I looked at trying to get it "right" whilst retaining an ability to use as many common figures across the Crimea onwards, after a fair bit of research I figured almost any variation of uniform was applicable at some point for some one, across a wide period of use. Dozens of uniform regulations and issues, virtually none of which seem to have been applied or completed in full, with huge expansions and reorganisations and absorbing of different armies, and much reuse of kit and partial issues and special cases...

With virtually nothing guaranteed to be concrete at any given point, or any concrete end or start point...

I gave up in the end, and went for "looks about right at table top distance".

I hadn't gotten onto the Garibaldis yet

[Leon]

Here's a question for any experts out there, as both us and the sculptor seem to be getting a bit confused with this one!

I was sure that what we had called 'Line' was a more generic troop type suitable for a variety of the Italian states, such as the Papal army, Modena, Parma, etc.  Then we had the Piedmontese down as a separate item, based on images that showed a specific troop type/uniform.  But the problem is that we're finding it difficult to find any images of the 'generic' troops, most of the reference material we've got keeps referring to the Piedmont-Sardinia troops as being the core of the army.  So, the question is, is there no such thing as a generic 'Line' soldier and can that item be dropped from the list?

The sculptor's spent most of today searching for info on this, but we've hit a bit of a brick wall.

Here's a load of pictures from the 19th C. Facebook group, in case anyone is interested:

Bersaglieri
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977296_1273047446109950_7034615851016658208_n.jpg?oh=d12ed69cd2747a6fc872569f5b270a9d&oe=59095D8E
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16105911_1273047422776619_9193898046830345482_n.jpg?oh=7ad0dab683a40f78997fefaaae45c8eb&oe=59035F8B
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16142533_1273047519443276_8011398148113805401_n.jpg?oh=f259508b18534f39beda69f2790c3148&oe=59124F5A
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114062_1273047539443274_9078362660223887163_n.jpg?oh=4fd532ca9b1f4dfa728ea0dcd2fd8fb5&oe=5918BE72
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174593_1273047549443273_5694848942692032125_n.jpg?oh=d8deaac216292d260b87e6040986c266&oe=59122457
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16105585_1273047619443266_6242543078160250202_n.jpg?oh=9450e95d7fcdaa8c6bc24c8a67a0ce9e&oe=5915646F

Garabaldini
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/15965416_1271745946240100_7303258738722331600_n.jpg?oh=16ae28a5bb02813ad9a5510b7e80c827&oe=5904DF0F
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15965305_1264366793644682_6019586754479185276_n.jpg?oh=ae559e0033c6a57d778d36a79e994fd4&oe=5912E734
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/85/0b/e8/850be84fe37d607ca1c5f020c27889e2.jpg


Piedmontese
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15895214_1266143486800346_2332084759571480815_n.jpg?oh=db5c98516a00b9109deff8172f300a6b&oe=5907070F
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16143376_1808658289160436_5058745991146115714_n.jpg?oh=6f873ed8065af6218525061854e2cead&oe=59241E33

Carabinieri
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114776_1273049292776432_927305891019687443_n.jpg?oh=685812d8a73c80bc05fb622c33101ebe&oe=590C7E97
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114364_1273049309443097_7860717932258180350_n.jpg?oh=cdbb556717141bd8261164e73f99c5e8&oe=591D9240
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16142506_1273049319443096_4085292845554677486_n.jpg?oh=c9d637692e427cc1c38b454154b1a348&oe=5922A531
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16002786_1273049349443093_5449928362242939168_n.jpg?oh=9ac52480f9c1fa056817b176647ba077&oe=59192449

Grenadiers
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15941402_1789577637735168_2046283099165732213_n.jpg?oh=1e6f21a2e401f68dd333fb05fd03b2e6&oe=591C2192

Artillerymen
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/77/2e/97/772e97a9c51c54c3605f3159ebb9cc95.jpg

Senior Officers
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/99/f0/96/99f096b735d9342f928be9d46f69b51f.jpg

Re-Enactors with a variety of uniforms on
https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15940738_1264749090273119_5594716995270122000_n.jpg?oh=2eff2279faa25cee6f295838b9aac60f&oe=5924A8ED

[Shedman]

Try google-ing images for the "Battle of San Martino"  This is the Italian bit of Solferino. There are some pants images but also some really nice ones

Alan